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What language/eco-system isn't horrible, honestly? In some way? What's your "ideal" stack? Professional, I have used or am using C/C++, Python, Ruby, Javascrip

What language/eco-system isn't horrible, honestly? In some way? What's your "ideal" stack? Professional, I have used or am using C/C++, Python, Ruby, Javascript, some Java, some C#, Golang. Our of all of those the only one I don't really hate is Golang. In every other language/eco-system I can point to at least a dozen things that are awful. In Golang - maybe only 9. Node has NPM with a huge eco-system. It's fast. Javascript, if written correctly, can be a pleasure to use, IMO. And even if you can't use it idiomatically for some reason, you can use Cofeescript/Typescript or whatever that forces some sort of code structure/discipline. Node itself is decent if you understand how to ignore callback-pyramid-of-death with Promises and reactive-type programming.

kodfodrasz 10y ago
Not all suck, at least not as much as the one in the discussion... I have used most of those you listed, and some esoteric/legacy/proprietary stuff. To me, with all its flaws, C#, Java, Scala, Python were the best, with goodness decreasing. I need to try F# as I feel I'd like it very much. Generally I believe in static type systems with proper generics support catching a lot of bugs up front, and are a pleasure to use, as my personal experience also shows this. You may not have enough experience with Java, or especially with C#, and I suspect that you may even find some of the greatest features there mere annoyances. After being an experienced C programmer and having same JS experience I can say JS has the much same problems. Bad design decisions initially. Then sticking to the legacy. Lack of expressive power. Writing correct code in JS or C is a struggle. For some reason both are overrepresented here on HN. Lack of proper module module system makes JS inferior to most modern languages (C#, Go, Rust,...). (npm solves some of it), and it could be continued for pages, but for a believer/zealot it wouldn't matter.

kodfodrasz 10y ago

Not all suck, at least not as much as the one in the discussion... I have used most of those you listed, and some esoteric/legacy/proprietary stuff. To me, with all its flaws, C#, Java, Scala, Python were the best, with goodness decreasing. I need to try F# as I feel I'd like it very much. Generally I believe in static type systems with proper generics support catching a lot of bugs up front, and are a pleasure to use, as my personal experience also shows this. You may not have enough experience with Java, or especially with C#, and I suspect that you may even find some of the greatest features there mere annoyances. After being an experienced C programmer and having same JS experience I can say JS has the much same problems. Bad design decisions initially. Then sticking to the legacy. Lack of expressive power. Writing correct code in JS or C is a struggle. For some reason both are overrepresented here on HN. Lack of proper module module system makes JS inferior to most modern languages (C#, Go, Rust,...). (npm solves some of it), and it could be continued for pages, but for a believer/zealot it wouldn't matter.