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Not going to even bother dissecting this argument. Living in the UK at the moment we see so much of this Britexit type hyperbole (without any real thought or pl

Not going to even bother dissecting this argument. Living in the UK at the moment we see so much of this Britexit type hyperbole (without any real thought or planning for the future): "Actually the EU is the worst thing that could happen to the European Countries since the WWII" Really? How about invasion through the Fulda Gap by the USSR? Or communism spreading and taking hold of more of Europe? Or the food supply failing leading to famine? Or constant nationalism resulting in WW3? Or resurgent Nazism? or an outbreak of civil wars across the whole continent? or outbreak of disease? or nuclear terrorism? or massive levels of regular terrorism? or massive energy crisis leading to huge death tolls because of colds. I can go on... For just one of the huge amount of positive benefits of the EU, I will leave the argument to Patrick Stewart doing a short comedy about it: http://www.theguardian.com/culture/video/2016/apr/25/patrick-stewart-sketch-what-has-the-echr-ever-done-for-us-video http://www.theguardian.com/culture/video/2016/apr/25/patrick...

merb 11y ago
Actually terrorism could actually be targeted against the EU. It's really hard to say if there wouldn't be any without the EU. But I really think that without opening the borders as it was done with some EU contract, it wouldn't be as worse at it is now. If these days somebody would bomb some citizens it's really hard to say from where these people would come. In most parts of the EU you could've just go in and out whenever you want without many controls. It changed lately but still a lot of people are here now which could be good or bad, we don't know, we actually don't know anything about them and they don't know anything about us. This could lead to terrorism as well. I mean if some groups can't correlate with other groups that will be troublesome. Hopefully everything goes well.
secfirstmd 11y ago
I can't reply directly to your comment on terrorism but I completely refute your argument. As an Irish person I can tell you right now that the EU has been instrumental in helping end the conflict in Northern Ireland (and I'm sure the same in Basque areas etc also). While they didn't negotiate the actual peace agreements - the benefits that came with EU membership were vital to ensuring the Republican/Nationalist leadership came to the negotiating table. -> increased standard of living -> jobs -> social protection -> fair trials -> rights for citizens etc etc etc
- merb 11y ago
  Btw. Ireland is one of the best examples why the EU doesn't work. A lot of the good parts of Ireland happened, caused by the low cut tax rates. Even german companies used some tricks until 2014/2015 to get money out of the EU by using some 'double Irish arrangement' or other stuff. Ireland is actually one of the best countries for businesses inside the EU and it can't be good that one country is better than any other country inside the EU. In a group of countries with the same exchange it should be forbidden to have different tax rates and some other specials for companies. Also I doubt that 90% of the stuff you said would be possible just without the EU. I also thing that actually most things would actually be easier. Actually there is way more controversial stuff inside the EU that I know of and that is publicly available. Also I live in germany and we profited the most from the things happened inside the EU, that's actually controversial as well.
  - fauigerzigerk 11y ago
    >In a group of countries with the same exchange it should be forbidden to have different tax rates and some other specials for companies. You mean like the states that share the USD, aka. the United States of America? Or like Scotland and England lately? The Out Campaign would be the first to complain about a one size fits all tax policy for the whole of the Eurozone.

merb 11y ago

Actually terrorism could actually be targeted against the EU. It's really hard to say if there wouldn't be any without the EU. But I really think that without opening the borders as it was done with some EU contract, it wouldn't be as worse at it is now. If these days somebody would bomb some citizens it's really hard to say from where these people would come. In most parts of the EU you could've just go in and out whenever you want without many controls. It changed lately but still a lot of people are here now which could be good or bad, we don't know, we actually don't know anything about them and they don't know anything about us. This could lead to terrorism as well. I mean if some groups can't correlate with other groups that will be troublesome. Hopefully everything goes well.

secfirstmd 11y ago

I can't reply directly to your comment on terrorism but I completely refute your argument. As an Irish person I can tell you right now that the EU has been instrumental in helping end the conflict in Northern Ireland (and I'm sure the same in Basque areas etc also). While they didn't negotiate the actual peace agreements - the benefits that came with EU membership were vital to ensuring the Republican/Nationalist leadership came to the negotiating table. -> increased standard of living -> jobs -> social protection -> fair trials -> rights for citizens etc etc etc

merb 11y ago
Btw. Ireland is one of the best examples why the EU doesn't work. A lot of the good parts of Ireland happened, caused by the low cut tax rates. Even german companies used some tricks until 2014/2015 to get money out of the EU by using some 'double Irish arrangement' or other stuff. Ireland is actually one of the best countries for businesses inside the EU and it can't be good that one country is better than any other country inside the EU. In a group of countries with the same exchange it should be forbidden to have different tax rates and some other specials for companies. Also I doubt that 90% of the stuff you said would be possible just without the EU. I also thing that actually most things would actually be easier. Actually there is way more controversial stuff inside the EU that I know of and that is publicly available. Also I live in germany and we profited the most from the things happened inside the EU, that's actually controversial as well.
- fauigerzigerk 11y ago
  >In a group of countries with the same exchange it should be forbidden to have different tax rates and some other specials for companies. You mean like the states that share the USD, aka. the United States of America? Or like Scotland and England lately? The Out Campaign would be the first to complain about a one size fits all tax policy for the whole of the Eurozone.