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None of the employees I would consider working for gives fk about certifications. I agree with you that certifications are crap but I haven't encountered a sin

by Scea91 10y ago

None of the employees I would consider working for gives fk about certifications. I agree with you that certifications are crap but I haven't encountered a single good company that cares about them.

unprepare 10y ago
I've let mine lapse completely to weed out companies searching only for major certs, i'm not interested in competing with cheaters. Vastly fewer responses and recruiters on major sites, but i've got about another 6 months to go on a really interesting couple of projects at my current job, so I'm not too upset about it.
odonnellryan 10y ago
It's not true. Some companies legitimately care about them: if you are an MSP it is very useful to have people with Cisco, MS, and other certs. Sometimes it is almost required (see MS certs) to be competitive. So, they only care because it's a business thing (not a qualification thing) but they do care.
- unprepare 10y ago
  I've worked for several MSPs this is my experience. They are very keen on getting employees with existing certs or getting current employees to actively be getting more certs. There are specific incentives from microsoft based on how many employees have certain levels of microsoft certification. it comes with discounts and marketing materials/privileges (Who doesnt want to say they are a Microsoft certified Gold support partner?) As such, it is conveniently ignored that the guy with an MCSE isnt going to get fired because their gold level partnership lapses if they dont keep X number of MCSEs on staff
ckozlowski 10y ago
In my experience I wouldn't say they were complete crap or didn't care at all, but I'd agree with the notion that they're a poor indicator by themselves. When my team would look at candidates, past accomplishments and projects counted for tons more than a cert. Still, a cert told us what someone was interested in and what they wanted to bone up on. They could expect questions relating to that cert field during the call. If they had trouble talking on the subject, then we knew that the cert was likely there to be a pad or just something to fulfill some billet requirement. In good cases we'd find that the cert was an indicator of something they were passionate about. So I consider it a pointer of sorts. Never worthy of hiring someone on it's own, but I'd recommend them to people who are /ready/ to demonstrate knowledge and may not necessarily have the project experience otherwise. I'd just recommend to them that they be ready to talk to it in an interview.

by Scea91 10y ago

None of the employees I would consider working for gives fk about certifications. I agree with you that certifications are crap but I haven't encountered a single good company that cares about them.

unprepare 10y ago

I've let mine lapse completely to weed out companies searching only for major certs, i'm not interested in competing with cheaters. Vastly fewer responses and recruiters on major sites, but i've got about another 6 months to go on a really interesting couple of projects at my current job, so I'm not too upset about it.

odonnellryan 10y ago

It's not true. Some companies legitimately care about them: if you are an MSP it is very useful to have people with Cisco, MS, and other certs. Sometimes it is almost required (see MS certs) to be competitive. So, they only care because it's a business thing (not a qualification thing) but they do care.

unprepare 10y ago
I've worked for several MSPs this is my experience. They are very keen on getting employees with existing certs or getting current employees to actively be getting more certs. There are specific incentives from microsoft based on how many employees have certain levels of microsoft certification. it comes with discounts and marketing materials/privileges (Who doesnt want to say they are a Microsoft certified Gold support partner?) As such, it is conveniently ignored that the guy with an MCSE isnt going to get fired because their gold level partnership lapses if they dont keep X number of MCSEs on staff

ckozlowski 10y ago

In my experience I wouldn't say they were complete crap or didn't care at all, but I'd agree with the notion that they're a poor indicator by themselves. When my team would look at candidates, past accomplishments and projects counted for tons more than a cert. Still, a cert told us what someone was interested in and what they wanted to bone up on. They could expect questions relating to that cert field during the call. If they had trouble talking on the subject, then we knew that the cert was likely there to be a pad or just something to fulfill some billet requirement. In good cases we'd find that the cert was an indicator of something they were passionate about. So I consider it a pointer of sorts. Never worthy of hiring someone on it's own, but I'd recommend them to people who are /ready/ to demonstrate knowledge and may not necessarily have the project experience otherwise. I'd just recommend to them that they be ready to talk to it in an interview.