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"The risk of choosing the wrong person is so great" I assume you don't live in the US or if you do, please elaborate because in the US there are virtually no s

by joesmo 10y ago

"The risk of choosing the wrong person is so great" I assume you don't live in the US or if you do, please elaborate because in the US there are virtually no such risks with at-will employment. It's so incredibly easy to fire people in the US that such an idea is actually ridiculous, yet people keep bringing it up all the time as if it's real.

malbs 10y ago
No, Australia. Once you've hired someone, there's a process you need to go through in order to get rid of them - multiple warnings for breaking company policy, mediation, it depends on what the problems are. If they know their rights, and play by the rules, it's basically not possible. Worse, if you have someone who just doesn't play well with others, there are no grounds for dismissal. You end up having to cook up some sort of severance package for genuinely toxic staff, and hope they hate the environment as much as others hate them. "Please take this package. In the long run it will be better for everyone" and hope they see the light and walk.
mkozlows 10y ago
Legal barriers are not the only barriers. Many companies don't work with a quick-fire model. If you, as a hiring manager, hire a person and then fire them within a month, you're going to need to sit down with your manager and explain what happened. If you do it twice, they're going to have serious doubts about whether you're qualified to be a manager. Plus, it's sociopathic: If someone has a job already, having them quit that job, start working for you, and then get fired and end up on the street because it didn't work out... man, that's a jerk move. The manager owes it to the new hire to be confident that they'll work out.
cwilkes 10y ago
I don't think he's talking about legal risks: 1 the people that interviewed / recruited that bad egg will be scorned as the people that brought that idiot in 2 often people think the bad one will get better so they invent a lot of time into making it work. Time that could be better spent elsewhere. 3 typically groups have a very limited headcount. So if you bring in a bad person you've used up that slot and won't have anything available for months (if ever) 4 have you ever worked with a negative person? It really zaps the energy out of going into work. 5 the damage that a bad hire can also be great on the code base, let alone morale. Some junk stays in the code for years

by joesmo 10y ago

malbs 10y ago

No, Australia. Once you've hired someone, there's a process you need to go through in order to get rid of them - multiple warnings for breaking company policy, mediation, it depends on what the problems are. If they know their rights, and play by the rules, it's basically not possible. Worse, if you have someone who just doesn't play well with others, there are no grounds for dismissal. You end up having to cook up some sort of severance package for genuinely toxic staff, and hope they hate the environment as much as others hate them. "Please take this package. In the long run it will be better for everyone" and hope they see the light and walk.

mkozlows 10y ago

Legal barriers are not the only barriers. Many companies don't work with a quick-fire model. If you, as a hiring manager, hire a person and then fire them within a month, you're going to need to sit down with your manager and explain what happened. If you do it twice, they're going to have serious doubts about whether you're qualified to be a manager. Plus, it's sociopathic: If someone has a job already, having them quit that job, start working for you, and then get fired and end up on the street because it didn't work out... man, that's a jerk move. The manager owes it to the new hire to be confident that they'll work out.

cwilkes 10y ago

I don't think he's talking about legal risks: 1 the people that interviewed / recruited that bad egg will be scorned as the people that brought that idiot in 2 often people think the bad one will get better so they invent a lot of time into making it work. Time that could be better spent elsewhere. 3 typically groups have a very limited headcount. So if you bring in a bad person you've used up that slot and won't have anything available for months (if ever) 4 have you ever worked with a negative person? It really zaps the energy out of going into work. 5 the damage that a bad hire can also be great on the code base, let alone morale. Some junk stays in the code for years