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Or educate men in society that these things are wrong.

by ngoel36 10y ago

EdHominem 10y ago
Sorry, I'm only in first-year. I'll stop raping you sometime after exams. /s If it's expected to work so well, why do banks have guards?
littletimmy 10y ago
You don't need to say "or" here. We can both increase awareness among men AND help women protect themselves.
winstonewert 10y ago
You really think the problem is that men don't know the raping is wrong?
- ForHackernews 10y ago
  Why do you think that kind of gang-rape behavior is [relatively] rare in the West, then? You don't think it has anything to do with the education/socialization of men?
  - gozur88 10y ago
    Is it any more common in India? The country has 1.3 billion people - no matter what you do you'll get some horrific behavior.
  - winstonewert 10y ago
    If I had to guess, I would guess that a large part of the difference is whether or not the individuals believe they'll get away with it. Regardless, what I commented on was the suggestion that men just needed to be educated that raping was wrong, which is much narrower then "anything to do with the education/socialization of men" Obviously, education/socialization sufficiently widely understood has something to do with it.
  - belorn 10y ago
    Why do you think that any crime has different rates in different countries? Should we order schools thats located in areas with high murder rates and teach children that "Murdering your friend is wrong. Write it down 10 times in this book". Maybe you live in a area with higher murder rate than I (its likely, given that my country has one of the lowest rates in the world). Should you be sent to a re-education camp to be thought how to socially behave and not go around and murder people? Can you prove you are not, deep down, thinking about murder someone right now and are barely able to restrain yourself?
- foodstances 10y ago
  Maybe... it is the same country that is having trouble convincing its citizens to stop shitting in the streets and use the toilets they're provided. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33980904 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33980904
- chongli 10y ago
  Yes, actually. In an interview from jail[0], one of the men who participated in the 2012 gang rape and murder of Jyoti Singh blamed the victim for the attack[1]! [0] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/11443462/Delhi-bus-rapist-blames-his-victim-in-prison-interview.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/1144346... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape#Incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape#Incident
  - oldmanjay 10y ago
    Are you familiar with criminals who take responsibility for their actions? I've never heard of such a thing, so your implied conclusion seems idealistic
    - sridca 10y ago
      > [Nikhil]: Or educate men in society that these things are wrong. > [Winston]: You really think the problem is that men don't know the raping is wrong? > [ChongLi]: Yes, actually. > [OldManJay]: Are you familiar with criminals who take responsibility for their actions? I've never heard of such a thing, so your implied conclusion seems idealistic Nikhil and ChongLi are doing nothing but regurgitate the faulty feminist narrative that they have fondly taken on to be common sense. Both American and Indian societies already teach its members that rape, murder, theft and other crimes are "wrong". This is called social conditioning, and is put into effect from childhood onwards. Social conditioning does not of course necessarily stop the criminals like Elliot Rodger (murder) and Mukesh Singh (rape) from conducting their crimes. The narrative of "Teach men not to rape," that these people ignorantly spit out, is based on the faulty premise that the said men have not been taught not to rape (and kill, maim, and so forth). > [ChongLi]: In an interview from jail[0], one of the men who participated in the 2012 gang rape and murder of Jyoti Singh blamed the victim for the attack[1]! [0] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/1144346.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/1144346.... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape#Incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape#Incident With a little intelligence and sensitivity, it is not difficult to prober further into the underlying motivation of these criminals, and without understanding the underlying motivations you cannot effect change. Here's a clue: Mukesh Singh (one of the perpetrator of the Delhi gang rape event) had this to say in that interview: "A decent girl won’t roam around at nine o’clock at night … Housework and housekeeping is for girls, not roaming in discos and bars at night doing indecent things, wearing indecent clothes.".

Or educate men in society that these things are wrong.

by ngoel36 10y ago

Or educate men in society that these things are wrong.

Sorry, I'm only in first-year. I'll stop raping you sometime after exams. /s If it's expected to work so well, why do banks have guards?

littletimmy 10y ago

You don't need to say "or" here. We can both increase awareness among men AND help women protect themselves.

winstonewert 10y ago

You really think the problem is that men don't know the raping is wrong?

ForHackernews 10y ago
Why do you think that kind of gang-rape behavior is [relatively] rare in the West, then? You don't think it has anything to do with the education/socialization of men?
- gozur88 10y ago
  Is it any more common in India? The country has 1.3 billion people - no matter what you do you'll get some horrific behavior.
- winstonewert 10y ago
  If I had to guess, I would guess that a large part of the difference is whether or not the individuals believe they'll get away with it. Regardless, what I commented on was the suggestion that men just needed to be educated that raping was wrong, which is much narrower then "anything to do with the education/socialization of men" Obviously, education/socialization sufficiently widely understood has something to do with it.
- belorn 10y ago
  Why do you think that any crime has different rates in different countries? Should we order schools thats located in areas with high murder rates and teach children that "Murdering your friend is wrong. Write it down 10 times in this book". Maybe you live in a area with higher murder rate than I (its likely, given that my country has one of the lowest rates in the world). Should you be sent to a re-education camp to be thought how to socially behave and not go around and murder people? Can you prove you are not, deep down, thinking about murder someone right now and are barely able to restrain yourself?
foodstances 10y ago
Maybe... it is the same country that is having trouble convincing its citizens to stop shitting in the streets and use the toilets they're provided. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33980904 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-33980904
chongli 10y ago
Yes, actually. In an interview from jail[0], one of the men who participated in the 2012 gang rape and murder of Jyoti Singh blamed the victim for the attack[1]! [0] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/11443462/Delhi-bus-rapist-blames-his-victim-in-prison-interview.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/1144346... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape#Incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape#Incident
- oldmanjay 10y ago
  Are you familiar with criminals who take responsibility for their actions? I've never heard of such a thing, so your implied conclusion seems idealistic
  - sridca 10y ago
    > [Nikhil]: Or educate men in society that these things are wrong. > [Winston]: You really think the problem is that men don't know the raping is wrong? > [ChongLi]: Yes, actually. > [OldManJay]: Are you familiar with criminals who take responsibility for their actions? I've never heard of such a thing, so your implied conclusion seems idealistic Nikhil and ChongLi are doing nothing but regurgitate the faulty feminist narrative that they have fondly taken on to be common sense. Both American and Indian societies already teach its members that rape, murder, theft and other crimes are "wrong". This is called social conditioning, and is put into effect from childhood onwards. Social conditioning does not of course necessarily stop the criminals like Elliot Rodger (murder) and Mukesh Singh (rape) from conducting their crimes. The narrative of "Teach men not to rape," that these people ignorantly spit out, is based on the faulty premise that the said men have not been taught not to rape (and kill, maim, and so forth). > [ChongLi]: In an interview from jail[0], one of the men who participated in the 2012 gang rape and murder of Jyoti Singh blamed the victim for the attack[1]! [0] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/1144346.. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/1144346.... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape#Incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Delhi_gang_rape#Incident With a little intelligence and sensitivity, it is not difficult to prober further into the underlying motivation of these criminals, and without understanding the underlying motivations you cannot effect change. Here's a clue: Mukesh Singh (one of the perpetrator of the Delhi gang rape event) had this to say in that interview: "A decent girl won’t roam around at nine o’clock at night … Housework and housekeeping is for girls, not roaming in discos and bars at night doing indecent things, wearing indecent clothes.".