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If you do not think thinking coding is basic skill like literacy and arithmetic, then what do you think you will be doing in ten years to stay as productive as

by sqeaky 11y ago

If you do not think thinking coding is basic skill like literacy and arithmetic, then what do you think you will be doing in ten years to stay as productive as the machines taking so many jobs? If you are having children now, what will they do in twenty years? Surely something that looks like today's economy will exist, but instead of automated assembly lines being rare and expensive they will be common and cheap. I read about a novel competition where 4 of 1400 entries were AI written. Will anyone with dream's of being a novelist be able to compete with the computers in twenty years. In thirty years we might be a utopia or dystopia either way those who can write code will be much better off then those who cannot. My job... I am an automated software tester. I write the software that tests software, I could replace tens or hundreds of people annually. I am nowhere near the most effective developer. I do not like this, I prefer roles like my current one where I help people be more productive, but this is not all software jobs, but I have been in roles replacing thousands of people. Write code or prepare to compete with software.

_RPM 11y ago
I don't think the OP is disagreeing with Zuck. He seems to want to open a dialog and hear responses from people that write code.
- sqeaky 11y ago
  Rereading it does seem like I am arguing with OP, that was unintentional. When I first saw this everyone was saying no it wasn't, so rather than reply to one of them I replied to OP.
krapp 11y ago
>If you do not think thinking coding is basic skill like literacy and arithmetic, then what do you think you will be doing in ten years to stay as productive as the machines taking so many jobs? The human mind will probably have little to no value in the economy of the future. Machines will inevitably write the books, make the movies, make the music and publish the science. Of course, there will probably still be a market for human generated content, but only because of human vanity. Humans will still play Go despite it having been mastered by machines already, and will still consider themselves "good" at it. >Will anyone with dream's of being a novelist be able to compete with the computers in twenty years. Most people can't even write well enough to compete with other humans, so very little harm done there. >Write code or prepare to compete with software. It doesn't matter. You can't compete with software, you have already lost. Human software literacy is nothing but a necessary stopgap until all coding is automated as well. Human computer literacy is doomed to become a fringe and arcane art, like calligraphy. How many jobs with good penmanship get you in the modern world? This is why coding isn't a basic life skill. Most people never encounter code in their day to day lives. Their computers run applications someone else has already written. They only need to know how to push buttons. Coding is nothing more than the application of existing basic skills like reading, writing and logic to a niche (and soon to be obsolete) occupation.
- AnimalMuppet 11y ago
  > The human mind will probably have little to no value in the economy of the future. Machines will inevitably write the books, make the movies, make the music and publish the science. That's... I'll be generous and call it an amazingly unlikely outcome.
  - krapp 11y ago
    Plenty of human endeavors seemed impossible or infeasible to automate until someone found a way. I don't think the complete automation of creative and scientific work will happen in my lifetime, but I do believe it will happen. At best, if not complete automation, then near complete automation.
  - sqeaky 11y ago
    Machines are already writing and doing science. Remember the Nematode regeneration theory a computer came up with a few months back? We are all walking around with machines in our heads that do exactly what was claimed. It is just taking time to build them. There is no law of physics to break to make thinking software, just more information to understand. But they won't replace humans overnight. There will be social unrest and coding will probably be useful while all that settles.

by sqeaky 11y ago

_RPM 11y ago

I don't think the OP is disagreeing with Zuck. He seems to want to open a dialog and hear responses from people that write code.

sqeaky 11y ago
Rereading it does seem like I am arguing with OP, that was unintentional. When I first saw this everyone was saying no it wasn't, so rather than reply to one of them I replied to OP.

krapp 11y ago

>If you do not think thinking coding is basic skill like literacy and arithmetic, then what do you think you will be doing in ten years to stay as productive as the machines taking so many jobs? The human mind will probably have little to no value in the economy of the future. Machines will inevitably write the books, make the movies, make the music and publish the science. Of course, there will probably still be a market for human generated content, but only because of human vanity. Humans will still play Go despite it having been mastered by machines already, and will still consider themselves "good" at it. >Will anyone with dream's of being a novelist be able to compete with the computers in twenty years. Most people can't even write well enough to compete with other humans, so very little harm done there. >Write code or prepare to compete with software. It doesn't matter. You can't compete with software, you have already lost. Human software literacy is nothing but a necessary stopgap until all coding is automated as well. Human computer literacy is doomed to become a fringe and arcane art, like calligraphy. How many jobs with good penmanship get you in the modern world? This is why coding isn't a basic life skill. Most people never encounter code in their day to day lives. Their computers run applications someone else has already written. They only need to know how to push buttons. Coding is nothing more than the application of existing basic skills like reading, writing and logic to a niche (and soon to be obsolete) occupation.

AnimalMuppet 11y ago
> The human mind will probably have little to no value in the economy of the future. Machines will inevitably write the books, make the movies, make the music and publish the science. That's... I'll be generous and call it an amazingly unlikely outcome.
- krapp 11y ago
  Plenty of human endeavors seemed impossible or infeasible to automate until someone found a way. I don't think the complete automation of creative and scientific work will happen in my lifetime, but I do believe it will happen. At best, if not complete automation, then near complete automation.
- sqeaky 11y ago
  Machines are already writing and doing science. Remember the Nematode regeneration theory a computer came up with a few months back? We are all walking around with machines in our heads that do exactly what was claimed. It is just taking time to build them. There is no law of physics to break to make thinking software, just more information to understand. But they won't replace humans overnight. There will be social unrest and coding will probably be useful while all that settles.