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Thanks for answering: I appreciate it. I'll admit that that notion is pretty foreign to me: "unenthusiastic" is pretty antithetical to "awesome" in my book (no
by Steuard 10y ago
Thanks for answering: I appreciate it.
I'll admit that that notion is pretty foreign to me: "unenthusiastic" is pretty antithetical to "awesome" in my book (not just when it comes to sex). But setting aside the "awesome" label, I can definitely see a place for occasional unenthusiastic (but fondly willing?) sex in a long-term relationship. And I'm willing to grant that some folks might be turned on by "hateful" sex (though the combination of "hateful" and "unenthusiastic" seems exponentially less interesting).
But in either case (and maybe especially both together), the sex in question is almost by definition going to look one heck of a lot like rape. If your partner is actively demonstrating a distaste for what you are doing, how do you know that they're consenting? I would hope that the people involved would have some very explicit conversations about what was expected in advance (and ideally even set up a safe word), just as for BDSM. (And as I noted, I consider that a stricter standard than affirmative consent.)
Without those safeguards, if one of the participants in such an arrangement accused the other of rape, I honestly couldn't begin to see a reason to disagree with them. ("It wasn't rape, it was unenthusiastic, hateful sex! He's into that, believe me! Even though he says he isn't." That's not gonna fly.) Is there something I'm missing about this?
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- Steuard 10y agoAs noted, angry sex isn't my thing, but hey, everybody's got their own kink. I wasn't trying to advocate banning it at all! But I would think that it really ought to fall under the heading of "needs a safeword". Otherwise, I feel like it would have an unacceptably high likelihood of misunderstanding leading to rape. If there's nothing resembling affirmative consent during the encounter itself and there's not a careful conversation about boundaries (including a safe word or something comparable) beforehand, what is the mechanism by which the people involved can feel confident that their partner is in fact consenting?
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