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Hmm I did a quick search for New York - Downtown, as I figure in terms of status and location that seems comparable to Singapore. The prices seem to range from

Hmm I did a quick search for New York - Downtown, as I figure in terms of status and location that seems comparable to Singapore. The prices seem to range from 3k to 15k / month. This is like living in a Condo in Singapore. http://streeteasy.com/for-rent/downtown/beds:2 http://streeteasy.com/for-rent/downtown/beds:2 Feel free to correct me, I've only been to America a couple of times, so I don't know the most appropriate place to search for comparison. Rent would be considered a lot for most Singaporeans, however being ang moh I automatically pay more anyway. I know people living in my building who pay half what I pay in rent simply because they are Singaporean. Also young Singaporeans live at home with their parents well into their 20s, and often get engaged and order an HDB which they start paying before they get married. They are not allowed to move in (by law) until they are married, and can only buy as a single if they are over the age of (35) i believe. This is to encourage marriage. Likewise the lack of single bedroom HDBs is to encourage starting a family by having the rooms available. etc. ---- I pay $2600/m (divided by 2 because I live with someone else) for a 2 bedroom hdb, that's bigger than the $2800 2bedroom apartment I had living in Sydney. My power bill in Sydney was about $210/m while in Singapore its about $110/m. Internet in Sydney was about $120/m for ADSL2+ (that connected at 2.5mbit) while in Singapore I pay $59 for uncapped, unthrottled, 1gb down / 500mbit up. Taxi in Sydney cost me $27 to get to work in the morning. In Singapore, it takes 3x as long to get to work in a taxi and costs $10. Train in Sydney cost me about $7/day and because it was only a few stops it would cost more to get a monthly or yearly pass than to just pay each day. Singapore costs me $1.18 to get to work and $0.90 to get home. Basically my cost of living has significantly dropped living in Singapore. I'm not saying its like that for everyone. People I work with live in Condo's and pay a lot more than I do.

nickpsecurity 11y ago
"New York - Downtown, as I figure in terms of status and location that seems comparable to Singapore." "Feel free to correct me, I've only been to America a couple of times, so I don't know the most appropriate place to search for comparison." You narrowed the scope of our conversation to one of the most expensive and famous parts of the entire United States to compare to the average of Singapore? At least you offered that you don't know where to do the comparison. ;) In my area (Memphis Metropolitan), there's tons of businesses, restaurants, activities, service sector, events... you name it. It's not even one of best areas: actually a bad one. Yet, just around $1000 a month. Lots of areas in the South are like that where I hear some suburbs in Northeast near tech capitals are as well. West is expensive everywhere. Good parts of big name cities like NYC, LA, Chicago, etc are as well. So, it's best to avoid comparisons with those as mostly rich people live there. The rest of us dare not try. :) "I know people living in my building who pay half what I pay in rent simply because they are Singaporean." Never heard of this before. How does that work? "They are not allowed to move in (by law) until they are married, and can only buy as a single if they are over the age of (35) i believe." That's really messed up. Thanks for telling me, though. "I pay..." Your house is double or more what many Americans will pay in rent. The power bill is reasonable if that comes with water. Or does water come with rent or free? The internet leaves me jealouse: I heard you had uncapped Gigabit but didn't know how many or how much. $59/mo. Wow. Corruption is preventing that here with a handful of cities having gigabit ranging from a little above that to $350/mo. Corruption puts me at 50Mbps down with a cap for $70/mo. "Taxi in Sydney cost me $27 to get to work in the morning. In Singapore, it takes 3x as long to get to work in a taxi and costs $10." Hmm. I've always wondered about this tradeoff but have no hard data on it. It happens here. In cities, people taxi or walk to work. Rates I paid were similar. Out here in suburbs, we mostly own cars to do that 20-30min drive I mentioned. Gas is maybe $5 a day. Car and insurance can be had for as little as $600 a month for 4 years. Interesting enough, that puts it at about the same rate per day although we pay with or without a trip to work. Ego reasons mean many people pay a lot more for their car, though. ;) "Basically my cost of living has significantly dropped living in Singapore." That I believe. Australians tell me the country is expensive to live in if we're talking the cities. You might have dropped your cost of living moving to... anywhere. Just kidding but cities cost $$$ in First World countries with Singapore obviously cheaper. So, what kind of work do you do? With good hours, wages, and breaks? Is that average for your area?
- philliphaydon 11y ago
  "Never heard of this before. How does that work?" It's just assumed that because I'm white I earn more money so I can afford to stay here. "The power bill is reasonable if that comes with water. Or does water come with rent or free?" Includes water in the power/gas bill. "So, what kind of work do you do? With good hours, wages, and breaks? Is that average for your area?" Just a lowly .NET dev. 10am till 6pm, good salary, hour lunch. There's a huge need for developers in Singapore. Singaporeans seem to get pushed towards Doctor/Lawyer/Accountant by their family, and those who do programming, often end up in big companies like IBM etc where they earn less and become a number, because family thinks that startups are not a good secure future. Atleast that's what i'm told from Singaporean programmers. Traveling from Singapore is awesome too. Got return flights to Taiwan for a week for $70, been to Cambodia for $80 return, japan for $260 return, thailand for $160 return. Etc. Great for weekend trips. Fly friday night come home sunday night. :)
  - ixosoxi 11y ago
    What are dev salaries like in Singapore?
    - nickpsecurity 11y ago
      I'd appreciate dev's in Singapore confirming or rejecting this range with details: http://www.payscale.com/research/SG/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary http://www.payscale.com/research/SG/Job=Software_Engineer/Sa... https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/singapore-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,9_IM1123_KO10,27.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/singapore-software-engine...
      - philliphaydon 11y ago
        I believe it's highly dependent on where you are from. Glass door has the average salary as < 4000/m, but to get an employment pass (EP) you need to be paid minimum of 4000/m There's linkedin jobs that go from 5k up to 14k. As far as I know, Java roles pay rather low because theres lots of developers from India who will fill those positions, but there are very few Node / .NET developers and so those roles get quite a bit more. I mostly do .NET tho, bit of Node, and currently learning golang (even tho I dont think there are any golang jobs in Singapore, want to learn something new) Basically I cannot confirm or deny those links because there are lots of factors to consider. The market here is very different to Australia where all roles are around the same range regardless of language.

nickpsecurity 11y ago

"New York - Downtown, as I figure in terms of status and location that seems comparable to Singapore." "Feel free to correct me, I've only been to America a couple of times, so I don't know the most appropriate place to search for comparison." You narrowed the scope of our conversation to one of the most expensive and famous parts of the entire United States to compare to the average of Singapore? At least you offered that you don't know where to do the comparison. ;) In my area (Memphis Metropolitan), there's tons of businesses, restaurants, activities, service sector, events... you name it. It's not even one of best areas: actually a bad one. Yet, just around $1000 a month. Lots of areas in the South are like that where I hear some suburbs in Northeast near tech capitals are as well. West is expensive everywhere. Good parts of big name cities like NYC, LA, Chicago, etc are as well. So, it's best to avoid comparisons with those as mostly rich people live there. The rest of us dare not try. :) "I know people living in my building who pay half what I pay in rent simply because they are Singaporean." Never heard of this before. How does that work? "They are not allowed to move in (by law) until they are married, and can only buy as a single if they are over the age of (35) i believe." That's really messed up. Thanks for telling me, though. "I pay..." Your house is double or more what many Americans will pay in rent. The power bill is reasonable if that comes with water. Or does water come with rent or free? The internet leaves me jealouse: I heard you had uncapped Gigabit but didn't know how many or how much. $59/mo. Wow. Corruption is preventing that here with a handful of cities having gigabit ranging from a little above that to $350/mo. Corruption puts me at 50Mbps down with a cap for $70/mo. "Taxi in Sydney cost me $27 to get to work in the morning. In Singapore, it takes 3x as long to get to work in a taxi and costs $10." Hmm. I've always wondered about this tradeoff but have no hard data on it. It happens here. In cities, people taxi or walk to work. Rates I paid were similar. Out here in suburbs, we mostly own cars to do that 20-30min drive I mentioned. Gas is maybe $5 a day. Car and insurance can be had for as little as $600 a month for 4 years. Interesting enough, that puts it at about the same rate per day although we pay with or without a trip to work. Ego reasons mean many people pay a lot more for their car, though. ;) "Basically my cost of living has significantly dropped living in Singapore." That I believe. Australians tell me the country is expensive to live in if we're talking the cities. You might have dropped your cost of living moving to... anywhere. Just kidding but cities cost $$$ in First World countries with Singapore obviously cheaper. So, what kind of work do you do? With good hours, wages, and breaks? Is that average for your area?

philliphaydon 11y ago
"Never heard of this before. How does that work?" It's just assumed that because I'm white I earn more money so I can afford to stay here. "The power bill is reasonable if that comes with water. Or does water come with rent or free?" Includes water in the power/gas bill. "So, what kind of work do you do? With good hours, wages, and breaks? Is that average for your area?" Just a lowly .NET dev. 10am till 6pm, good salary, hour lunch. There's a huge need for developers in Singapore. Singaporeans seem to get pushed towards Doctor/Lawyer/Accountant by their family, and those who do programming, often end up in big companies like IBM etc where they earn less and become a number, because family thinks that startups are not a good secure future. Atleast that's what i'm told from Singaporean programmers. Traveling from Singapore is awesome too. Got return flights to Taiwan for a week for $70, been to Cambodia for $80 return, japan for $260 return, thailand for $160 return. Etc. Great for weekend trips. Fly friday night come home sunday night. :)
- ixosoxi 11y ago
  What are dev salaries like in Singapore?
  - nickpsecurity 11y ago
    I'd appreciate dev's in Singapore confirming or rejecting this range with details: http://www.payscale.com/research/SG/Job=Software_Engineer/Salary http://www.payscale.com/research/SG/Job=Software_Engineer/Sa... https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/singapore-software-engineer-salary-SRCH_IL.0,9_IM1123_KO10,27.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/singapore-software-engine...
    - philliphaydon 11y ago
      I believe it's highly dependent on where you are from. Glass door has the average salary as < 4000/m, but to get an employment pass (EP) you need to be paid minimum of 4000/m There's linkedin jobs that go from 5k up to 14k. As far as I know, Java roles pay rather low because theres lots of developers from India who will fill those positions, but there are very few Node / .NET developers and so those roles get quite a bit more. I mostly do .NET tho, bit of Node, and currently learning golang (even tho I dont think there are any golang jobs in Singapore, want to learn something new) Basically I cannot confirm or deny those links because there are lots of factors to consider. The market here is very different to Australia where all roles are around the same range regardless of language.