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> Mosh (and its tolerance for high packet loss) helps Iain Learmonth escape from an elevator. Um, wow! https://mosh.mit.edu/elevator.txt https://mosh.mit.edu/e

by mholt 11y ago

> Mosh (and its tolerance for high packet loss) helps Iain Learmonth escape from an elevator. Um, wow! https://mosh.mit.edu/elevator.txt https://mosh.mit.edu/elevator.txt

neves 11y ago
Hey, never, but never, go out of an elevator that isn't leveled in the floor. By the description, I understand that he jumped from the elevator. If the elevator started to move, he could have been cut in half. This happened other day in my city. If you are stuck in a elevator, wait for professional help to take you out.
- andy_ppp 11y ago
  I once dreamt I was cut in half by a lift. It was not at all fun, so I'd definitely follow this advice :-D The other piece of lift related advice (that I really enjoy saying in more crowded, rickety lifts): I once read if in a lift that is falling you should attempt to lie flat on the bottom of the lift to limit the impact - preferably on top of another human. Some hacker news physicist will prove me apocryphal here I'm sure...
  - stouset 11y ago
    If an elevator is falling for long enough to give you time to recognize the situation, recall this strategy, and actually lie prone upon the floor (in ~0G, somehow)… it's not going to matter.
    - vhost- 11y ago
      You both should watch the elevator hacking talk that was given at HOPE X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUvGfuLlZus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUvGfuLlZus
      - andy_ppp 11y ago
        This is already very entertaining :-) Thanks!
      - nyolfen 11y ago
        Seconding this: I like to put hacker con talks on in the background while I do other things, and this was the most entertaining panel from HOPE X in my opinion
    - djsumdog 11y ago
      There's a video of security footage from some elevator in South America (Argentina I think) in a brand new building. The elevator brakes failed and it launched upward (from the counter weight). Dude survived with major injuries. Others have said he should have laid down flat, but at that velocity who knows if it would have done any good.
  - neves 11y ago
    I've read somewhere that a free falling elevator is almost impossible due to its automatic brakes.
- nyolfen 11y ago
  Do you live in China by any chance?
- _asummers 11y ago
  And watch this[0] entire (super entertaining) talk from Hope X about elevator security. You get a pretty good feal for how the safety measures work after watching it. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUvGfuLlZus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUvGfuLlZus
- OJFord 11y ago
  But if it's stopped, why would you expect it to be more likely to move suddenly (and without the doors closing) because it's not level? I've often seen (and used) lifts with notices up like: Warning: does not level. Wheelchair users use other lift.
  - djsumdog 11y ago
    There's a horrible video I don't feel like looking up at work of a dude in an elevator that's acting all erratically. A guy with a baby stroller is about to get in. The guy tells the guy not to; the elevator hasn't been behaving correctly (there's no audio/security video. Guy tells the police this later). Guy in the elevator looks terrified. The man with the stroller steps in and the elevator cuts him in half. There's a trail of blood on the wall where the man use to be. It turns out the maintenance guy forgot to put out barriers saying the elevator was under repair. He was moving it from above and didn't realize people were getting in.
  - neves 11y ago
    There's not enough detail in the link. You can force the doors of an elevator to open it. Sometimes there's just a small hole to go through. The elevator had problems and was moving arbitrary. Sure, if it is just 5cm off, go for it, but don't think you are inside a movie and it is save to go out. In doubt, stay quiet.
- adrianN 11y ago
  > If you are stuck in a elevator, wait for professional help to take you out. Sometimes that doesn't work. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/07/woman-starved-to-death-after-being-stranded-for-a-month-on-an-elevator-in-china/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/0...
  - goldenkey 11y ago
    In China...Hmm I would think that considering the population she would have been noticed. Terrible..
rhinoceraptor 11y ago
That reminds me of the IT crowd episode where Moss sends an email to the fire department to report a fire.
dfc 11y ago
I dont get the plot. He got text messages to his flatmate, but the one asking his flatmate to call the council never made it. So his flatmate is dumb enough to need explicit instructions to call for help when a friend says they are trapped? Or were the first few texts he sent "hey whats up?" and "doing anything later?"? Why have your flatmate call "the council" when the obvious ask, and the one requested via email, was to call the fire brigade?
- cydanil 11y ago
  I cannot remember for this building specifically, but I've noticed in others that the emergency instructions are indeed to call the council. I was the flatmate. We never got a message through. I was busy on my own side courting a fine lady, and did not expect any sort of communication. I learned of the story only the next day, when I went back to work. The building in question is operated by the city council, which did great for low rent. I think many people, me included, would have thought of calling the council first, before the fire brigade, as the city keeps technicians round the clock (supposedly) to deal with such problems. I'm rather pleased by the elegant use of this software for such a situation.
- nandhp 11y ago
  Perhaps from the first two text messages didn't have enough information to tell what elevator he was stuck in?
  - dfc 11y ago
    Take your pick for my first txt: EMERGENCY trapped in our lift PAN-PAN trapped in our lift 911 trapped in our lift
    - OJFord 11y ago
      Are we golfing text messages? SOS stuk in our lift
      - noir_lord 11y ago
giancarlostoro 11y ago
It saddens me that people knew he was trapped and did nothing to help him out.
superuser2 11y ago
Woah. I've never seen an elevator without a phone. Like maybe in a developing country but in the UK that seriously isn't in the building code?
- JdeBP 11y ago
  It is in the Lift Regulations 1997: * http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/831/schedule/1/paragraph/4/made http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/831/schedule/1/parag... In accordance with the 1995 EU Directive: * http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31995L0016:EN:HTML http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:... But it is not retroactive: * http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/831/regulation/5/made http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/831/regulation/5/mad... However, there were of course earlier regulations. * http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1991/2748/schedule/1/made http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1991/2748/schedule/1/made

by mholt 11y ago

> Mosh (and its tolerance for high packet loss) helps Iain Learmonth escape from an elevator. Um, wow! https://mosh.mit.edu/elevator.txt https://mosh.mit.edu/elevator.txt

neves 11y ago

Hey, never, but never, go out of an elevator that isn't leveled in the floor. By the description, I understand that he jumped from the elevator. If the elevator started to move, he could have been cut in half. This happened other day in my city. If you are stuck in a elevator, wait for professional help to take you out.

andy_ppp 11y ago
I once dreamt I was cut in half by a lift. It was not at all fun, so I'd definitely follow this advice :-D The other piece of lift related advice (that I really enjoy saying in more crowded, rickety lifts): I once read if in a lift that is falling you should attempt to lie flat on the bottom of the lift to limit the impact - preferably on top of another human. Some hacker news physicist will prove me apocryphal here I'm sure...
- stouset 11y ago
  If an elevator is falling for long enough to give you time to recognize the situation, recall this strategy, and actually lie prone upon the floor (in ~0G, somehow)… it's not going to matter.
  - vhost- 11y ago
    You both should watch the elevator hacking talk that was given at HOPE X: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUvGfuLlZus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUvGfuLlZus
    - andy_ppp 11y ago
      This is already very entertaining :-) Thanks!
    - nyolfen 11y ago
      Seconding this: I like to put hacker con talks on in the background while I do other things, and this was the most entertaining panel from HOPE X in my opinion
  - djsumdog 11y ago
    There's a video of security footage from some elevator in South America (Argentina I think) in a brand new building. The elevator brakes failed and it launched upward (from the counter weight). Dude survived with major injuries. Others have said he should have laid down flat, but at that velocity who knows if it would have done any good.
- neves 11y ago
  I've read somewhere that a free falling elevator is almost impossible due to its automatic brakes.
nyolfen 11y ago
Do you live in China by any chance?
_asummers 11y ago
And watch this[0] entire (super entertaining) talk from Hope X about elevator security. You get a pretty good feal for how the safety measures work after watching it. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUvGfuLlZus https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUvGfuLlZus
OJFord 11y ago
But if it's stopped, why would you expect it to be more likely to move suddenly (and without the doors closing) because it's not level? I've often seen (and used) lifts with notices up like: Warning: does not level. Wheelchair users use other lift.
- djsumdog 11y ago
  There's a horrible video I don't feel like looking up at work of a dude in an elevator that's acting all erratically. A guy with a baby stroller is about to get in. The guy tells the guy not to; the elevator hasn't been behaving correctly (there's no audio/security video. Guy tells the police this later). Guy in the elevator looks terrified. The man with the stroller steps in and the elevator cuts him in half. There's a trail of blood on the wall where the man use to be. It turns out the maintenance guy forgot to put out barriers saying the elevator was under repair. He was moving it from above and didn't realize people were getting in.
- neves 11y ago
  There's not enough detail in the link. You can force the doors of an elevator to open it. Sometimes there's just a small hole to go through. The elevator had problems and was moving arbitrary. Sure, if it is just 5cm off, go for it, but don't think you are inside a movie and it is save to go out. In doubt, stay quiet.
adrianN 11y ago
> If you are stuck in a elevator, wait for professional help to take you out. Sometimes that doesn't work. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/07/woman-starved-to-death-after-being-stranded-for-a-month-on-an-elevator-in-china/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/03/0...
- goldenkey 11y ago
  In China...Hmm I would think that considering the population she would have been noticed. Terrible..

rhinoceraptor 11y ago

That reminds me of the IT crowd episode where Moss sends an email to the fire department to report a fire.

dfc 11y ago

I dont get the plot. He got text messages to his flatmate, but the one asking his flatmate to call the council never made it. So his flatmate is dumb enough to need explicit instructions to call for help when a friend says they are trapped? Or were the first few texts he sent "hey whats up?" and "doing anything later?"? Why have your flatmate call "the council" when the obvious ask, and the one requested via email, was to call the fire brigade?

cydanil 11y ago
I cannot remember for this building specifically, but I've noticed in others that the emergency instructions are indeed to call the council. I was the flatmate. We never got a message through. I was busy on my own side courting a fine lady, and did not expect any sort of communication. I learned of the story only the next day, when I went back to work. The building in question is operated by the city council, which did great for low rent. I think many people, me included, would have thought of calling the council first, before the fire brigade, as the city keeps technicians round the clock (supposedly) to deal with such problems. I'm rather pleased by the elegant use of this software for such a situation.
nandhp 11y ago
Perhaps from the first two text messages didn't have enough information to tell what elevator he was stuck in?
- dfc 11y ago
  Take your pick for my first txt: EMERGENCY trapped in our lift PAN-PAN trapped in our lift 911 trapped in our lift
  - OJFord 11y ago
    Are we golfing text messages? SOS stuk in our lift
    - noir_lord 11y ago

giancarlostoro 11y ago

It saddens me that people knew he was trapped and did nothing to help him out.

superuser2 11y ago

Woah. I've never seen an elevator without a phone. Like maybe in a developing country but in the UK that seriously isn't in the building code?

JdeBP 11y ago
It is in the Lift Regulations 1997: * http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/831/schedule/1/paragraph/4/made http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/831/schedule/1/parag... In accordance with the 1995 EU Directive: * http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:31995L0016:EN:HTML http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:... But it is not retroactive: * http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/831/regulation/5/made http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1997/831/regulation/5/mad... However, there were of course earlier regulations. * http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1991/2748/schedule/1/made http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/1991/2748/schedule/1/made