I did include two qualifiers there. >In his mind, and the minds of his constituents, the "information gathering" aspect is a sly wink at the other sadists in t

I did include two qualifiers there. >In his mind, and the minds of his constituents, the "information gathering" aspect is a sly wink at the other sadists in the room. I'm not so sure. You could have a model where the main purpose of torture is for information, and the value of that information is so much that you don't need a high chance of it being effective, and even if it's not effective there's not too much harm done. Trump has certainly claimed it to be effective.