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Wait, you are justifying an illegal action of yours because it is easier than the legal route? Since when doing the right thing is and should always be easier..

by guiomie 10y ago

Wait, you are justifying an illegal action of yours because it is easier than the legal route? Since when doing the right thing is and should always be easier... So, do you also not pay income tax because it is much easier to not do so? There are countless examples where being illegal is easier over legal, but as a society some of us understand that if the majority respect the law and order, we are much better off. I'm Canadian, and I certainly don't back you up on this. I use Netflix, Crave, my providers VoD service, independent and mainstream theaters to consume content all the time. When I realize I've spent more then I should on entertainment, I simply find other stuff to do or consume. Is it really about being "easier" and not about being cheap? Personally, I find it quite easy to swipe my credit card or link it to a Google Play account. I am amazed to read this under the caption of articles picture: "Netflix customer Susan Lorenz of Toronto doesn't understand why the company is suddenly shutting her out from the content she used to be able to see." ... Susan most certainly understands why.

Grishnakh 10y ago
No, she doesn't understand why. Maybe you can enlighten us. She used to pay hard cash for access to Netflix (the US version), and watched US content legally. Now she's being prevented from that. If the content creator doesn't want to sell access to the content for you, then you have every right to access it through other means. They never had to cut off access to these non-US customers: they were paying good money for this service, the same money as someone in America. Why shouldn't they be allowed access? Why is their money not as good as an American's money? Don't forget, we have a Free Trade treaty between Canada and the US. They're not practicing free trade here as the treaty states, so she has every right to work around it.
- guiomie 10y ago
  "She used to pay hard cash for access to Netflix (the US version), and watched US content legally" ... she didn't, she paid "hard cash" for the the Canadian version of Netflix, and found a not legal workaround to watch US content. She can most certainly watch CSI from an authorized distributor in Canada if she pays the right content owners in Canada. "If the content creator doesn't want to sell access to the content for you, then you have every right to access it through other means.", No you don't, how did you come up with this logic? No distributor deemed the selling price acceptable for them in Canada, if the creator wants the content in Canada he can sell it at a lower price. As a consumer, if you don't have an option to buy something, doesn't mean you should acquire it thru illegal means. NAFTA was created to eliminate tariffs and protect intellectual property. Someone buys the right to distribute a show in Canada, this right should be protected.
  - Grishnakh 10y ago
    >She can most certainly watch CSI from an authorized distributor in Canada if she pays the right content owners in Canada. She can buy the US version instead. Why should she be limited to what someone in Canada wants to sell it for? The internet doesn't follow national borders. I can access a webpage in Germany just as easily as a website in the US, and with online content, it's nothing more than bits being streamed. So why should she pay more? To prop up a dinosaur of a business model? Screw that. >As a consumer, if you don't have an option to buy something, doesn't mean you should acquire it thru illegal means. Sure it does. They've had their chance to offer things by legal means, they've been shown that it works, but it's not good enough for them. Fuck 'em. >NAFTA was created to eliminate tariffs and protect intellectual property. Someone buys the right to distribute a show in Canada, this right should be protected. Why should that be protected? That's not free trade, it's blatantly against the whole stated reason for the treaty. Again, fuck 'em. Piracy is the answer. When legal means don't work, and only serve moneyed interests and are put in place by corrupt politicians, it's time to ignore the laws.
- nkurz 10y ago
  She used to pay hard cash for access to Netflix (the US version), and watched US content legally. The article says "For about a year, Lorenz subscribed to Netflix Canada, but her family freely accessed the streaming service's shows from across the globe." The change discussed is that a subscriber in one country is no longer allowed access to the catalog of another country when accessing from a proxy IP in that country. Whether she should be allowed set up and pay for a Netflix US account to watch US shows as a non-resident is a separate issue.
  - Grishnakh 10y ago
    No, sorry if I got the details slightly wrong, but the issue is the same: should people from country A be able to set up an account in country B, and then watch the shows in country B's market (over a VPN)? Usually, it's non-US people wanting to get access to the US version of Netflix, but obviously there's other cases too since every country will have a different catalog and different people have different tastes.
newscracker 10y ago
> I am amazed to read this under the caption of articles picture: "Netflix customer Susan Lorenz of Toronto doesn't understand why the company is suddenly shutting her out from the content she used to be able to see." ... Susan most certainly understands why. Later on in the article, it says this: ~~~~~ Because she pays for the service and has been able to skirt the rules for so long, Lorenz doesn't understand why Netflix is suddenly shutting her out. "I don't know why I can't have international access," she says. "That doesn't make sense to me." ~~~~~ Understanding why there are content restrictions across regions makes no sense to most people.
- developer2 10y ago
  >> Understanding why there are content restrictions across regions makes no sense to most people. Because the industry refuses to modernize the business structure they've been using since what, the 1950s? Before the birth of the internet. We have 18 year olds out there who grew up with internet as the centre of their world. It doesn't make sense to most people, because it doesn't make sense in the 21st century.
- lostgame 10y ago
  >> 'Understanding why there are content restrictions across regions makes no sense' fix'd
CamperBob2 10y ago
Wait, you are justifying an illegal action of yours because it is easier than the legal route? Since when doing the right thing is and should always be easier. The "right thing" and the "legal thing" are not always the same thing.
MAGZine 10y ago
Regardless of whatever moral card you want to play here, the fact of the matter boils down to Gabe Newell's famous insight on the matter: Piracy is almost always a service problem[0]. People value their time. Make the experience easy for them, and people will pay. Make the experience shitty for them, and people will find the path of least resistance. People pay taxes because they have to. When it comes to entertainment, people aren't going to waste their time jumping through hoops. [0] http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe-Newell-Says-Piracy-Is-a-Service-Problem http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe...
- geodel 10y ago
  It might be true of first world. I do not think that in poor countries like India where 100s of millions live on less that ~2 dollar a day any service could be cheaper than piracy. And I have seen people in India jump through hoops to pirate content rather than paying even a little for convenience. Gabe Newell's observation seems to me a very limited view of the world by a spectacularly successful first world entrepreneur.
  - CaptSpify 10y ago
    Odd that it seems to work, though. How much money does Steam make from people who could be getting the content for free?
- rhino369 10y ago
  I really don't think Gabe is right. People pirate games that are on steam by the millions. Fall out 4 was pirated millions of times, but it's super easy to install on Steam. In fact it's a pain in the butt to install a pirated copy. Yet it's highly pirated. Paying for convenience is an upper middle class / rich thing. For a lot of people, saving 60 bucks is all the motivation one needs to pirate.
  - CaptSpify 10y ago
    Your missing the point though: How much money did FO4 make, from people who could have pirated it? They chose not to, and a large part of that reasoning is that Steam is just easier to use.
developer2 10y ago
You really pay for, and juggle the use of, more than one streaming service? Until we can stream any movie or TV show, from a single service, for a reasonable price, the same day it is broadcast on cable or released on home media, all without commercials, pirating will continue to be extremely popular. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. You can lambaste the general population's morals all you want. Call it lawless entitlement, criminal theft, whatever floats your boat. It doesn't change the fact that the current situation is a joke, and a lot of people have no qualms telling the industry that fucks with us to go fuck themselves. Hopefully the situation will change as the baby boomer generation dies off, and a younger generation that understands the idiocy of the previous era takes over. There is no way the current system would survive if 20-30 year olds were leading the industry. It's time to ditch the horse and carriage, and upgrade to electric vehicles.

by guiomie 10y ago

Grishnakh 10y ago

No, she doesn't understand why. Maybe you can enlighten us. She used to pay hard cash for access to Netflix (the US version), and watched US content legally. Now she's being prevented from that. If the content creator doesn't want to sell access to the content for you, then you have every right to access it through other means. They never had to cut off access to these non-US customers: they were paying good money for this service, the same money as someone in America. Why shouldn't they be allowed access? Why is their money not as good as an American's money? Don't forget, we have a Free Trade treaty between Canada and the US. They're not practicing free trade here as the treaty states, so she has every right to work around it.

guiomie 10y ago
"She used to pay hard cash for access to Netflix (the US version), and watched US content legally" ... she didn't, she paid "hard cash" for the the Canadian version of Netflix, and found a not legal workaround to watch US content. She can most certainly watch CSI from an authorized distributor in Canada if she pays the right content owners in Canada. "If the content creator doesn't want to sell access to the content for you, then you have every right to access it through other means.", No you don't, how did you come up with this logic? No distributor deemed the selling price acceptable for them in Canada, if the creator wants the content in Canada he can sell it at a lower price. As a consumer, if you don't have an option to buy something, doesn't mean you should acquire it thru illegal means. NAFTA was created to eliminate tariffs and protect intellectual property. Someone buys the right to distribute a show in Canada, this right should be protected.
- Grishnakh 10y ago
  >She can most certainly watch CSI from an authorized distributor in Canada if she pays the right content owners in Canada. She can buy the US version instead. Why should she be limited to what someone in Canada wants to sell it for? The internet doesn't follow national borders. I can access a webpage in Germany just as easily as a website in the US, and with online content, it's nothing more than bits being streamed. So why should she pay more? To prop up a dinosaur of a business model? Screw that. >As a consumer, if you don't have an option to buy something, doesn't mean you should acquire it thru illegal means. Sure it does. They've had their chance to offer things by legal means, they've been shown that it works, but it's not good enough for them. Fuck 'em. >NAFTA was created to eliminate tariffs and protect intellectual property. Someone buys the right to distribute a show in Canada, this right should be protected. Why should that be protected? That's not free trade, it's blatantly against the whole stated reason for the treaty. Again, fuck 'em. Piracy is the answer. When legal means don't work, and only serve moneyed interests and are put in place by corrupt politicians, it's time to ignore the laws.
nkurz 10y ago
She used to pay hard cash for access to Netflix (the US version), and watched US content legally. The article says "For about a year, Lorenz subscribed to Netflix Canada, but her family freely accessed the streaming service's shows from across the globe." The change discussed is that a subscriber in one country is no longer allowed access to the catalog of another country when accessing from a proxy IP in that country. Whether she should be allowed set up and pay for a Netflix US account to watch US shows as a non-resident is a separate issue.
- Grishnakh 10y ago
  No, sorry if I got the details slightly wrong, but the issue is the same: should people from country A be able to set up an account in country B, and then watch the shows in country B's market (over a VPN)? Usually, it's non-US people wanting to get access to the US version of Netflix, but obviously there's other cases too since every country will have a different catalog and different people have different tastes.

newscracker 10y ago

> I am amazed to read this under the caption of articles picture: "Netflix customer Susan Lorenz of Toronto doesn't understand why the company is suddenly shutting her out from the content she used to be able to see." ... Susan most certainly understands why. Later on in the article, it says this: ~~~~~ Because she pays for the service and has been able to skirt the rules for so long, Lorenz doesn't understand why Netflix is suddenly shutting her out. "I don't know why I can't have international access," she says. "That doesn't make sense to me." ~~~~~ Understanding why there are content restrictions across regions makes no sense to most people.

developer2 10y ago
>> Understanding why there are content restrictions across regions makes no sense to most people. Because the industry refuses to modernize the business structure they've been using since what, the 1950s? Before the birth of the internet. We have 18 year olds out there who grew up with internet as the centre of their world. It doesn't make sense to most people, because it doesn't make sense in the 21st century.
lostgame 10y ago
>> 'Understanding why there are content restrictions across regions makes no sense' fix'd

CamperBob2 10y ago

Wait, you are justifying an illegal action of yours because it is easier than the legal route? Since when doing the right thing is and should always be easier. The "right thing" and the "legal thing" are not always the same thing.

MAGZine 10y ago

Regardless of whatever moral card you want to play here, the fact of the matter boils down to Gabe Newell's famous insight on the matter: Piracy is almost always a service problem[0]. People value their time. Make the experience easy for them, and people will pay. Make the experience shitty for them, and people will find the path of least resistance. People pay taxes because they have to. When it comes to entertainment, people aren't going to waste their time jumping through hoops. [0] http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe-Newell-Says-Piracy-Is-a-Service-Problem http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/114391-Valves-Gabe...

geodel 10y ago
It might be true of first world. I do not think that in poor countries like India where 100s of millions live on less that ~2 dollar a day any service could be cheaper than piracy. And I have seen people in India jump through hoops to pirate content rather than paying even a little for convenience. Gabe Newell's observation seems to me a very limited view of the world by a spectacularly successful first world entrepreneur.
- CaptSpify 10y ago
  Odd that it seems to work, though. How much money does Steam make from people who could be getting the content for free?
rhino369 10y ago
I really don't think Gabe is right. People pirate games that are on steam by the millions. Fall out 4 was pirated millions of times, but it's super easy to install on Steam. In fact it's a pain in the butt to install a pirated copy. Yet it's highly pirated. Paying for convenience is an upper middle class / rich thing. For a lot of people, saving 60 bucks is all the motivation one needs to pirate.
- CaptSpify 10y ago
  Your missing the point though: How much money did FO4 make, from people who could have pirated it? They chose not to, and a large part of that reasoning is that Steam is just easier to use.

developer2 10y ago

You really pay for, and juggle the use of, more than one streaming service? Until we can stream any movie or TV show, from a single service, for a reasonable price, the same day it is broadcast on cable or released on home media, all without commercials, pirating will continue to be extremely popular. There are no ifs, ands, or buts about it. You can lambaste the general population's morals all you want. Call it lawless entitlement, criminal theft, whatever floats your boat. It doesn't change the fact that the current situation is a joke, and a lot of people have no qualms telling the industry that fucks with us to go fuck themselves. Hopefully the situation will change as the baby boomer generation dies off, and a younger generation that understands the idiocy of the previous era takes over. There is no way the current system would survive if 20-30 year olds were leading the industry. It's time to ditch the horse and carriage, and upgrade to electric vehicles.