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> Deal with it. Just like the other arbitrary things that can needlessly hold a person or group of people back, if it can be fixed why not fix it? What's wrong

> Deal with it. Just like the other arbitrary things that can needlessly hold a person or group of people back, if it can be fixed why not fix it? What's wrong with dealing with it that way? You seem to suggest to that people keep quiet, keep their head down and not rock the boat. That's a defeatist attitude and suggests that you don't think any effort should be spent trying to correct something that's broken in the world.

crusso 11y ago
"if it can be fixed why not fix it?" If the fix is "lay guilt upon and attempt to disadvantage all people of a certain skin color because some of that skin color have had an easier time in life", then it doesn't seem like much of a fix, does it? Racism and bigotry need to be wrong in all cases or the moral authority against them is diminished.
- st3v3r 11y ago
  Except no one is talking about disadvantaging people of a certain skin color (white). We're talking about trying to help bring everyone else up to the same level.
  - crusso 11y ago
    As someone with white children applying for college, I can say without question that skin color is used to disadvantage certain people.
    - st3v3r 11y ago
      No, it isn't. You're not getting the advantage you used to have. That's different.
maratd 11y ago
> if it can be fixed why not fix it? Because your cure is worse than the disease. > you don't think any effort should be spent trying to correct something that's broken in the world. I think racism is bad. I think it's bad in all circumstances because it corrupts our meritocratic society. Using racism to fix racism is dumb. Because racism is bad in all circumstances.
- danenania 11y ago
  Our meritocratic society? Which planet are you from? Here on earth, we have no meritocratic society, but we do have a lot of people who confuse the advantages of their birth + not dropping the ball with pure merit. 80% of humanity lives on less than $10 per day. Do you not believe that among those billions of people, there could be many who are just as smart and hardworking as you, but have no access to the physical, social, and cultural capital they need to rise above subsistence living? If your so-called meritocracy only applies to 10% of the earth's population, it isn't much of one.
  - nugget 11y ago
    It's interesting to note that increasing inequality within the US has been a byproduct of decreasing inequality world wide, as formerly impoverished frontier economies were allowed to compete against the American lower and lower middle working classes. This point always seems to get lost in the discussion.
- st3v3r 11y ago
  Anyone who thinks society is actually meritocratic is deluding themselves. And no one is using racism to fix racism. Only someone who is desperately clinging to that advantage they have for being white would say that.

crusso 11y ago

"if it can be fixed why not fix it?" If the fix is "lay guilt upon and attempt to disadvantage all people of a certain skin color because some of that skin color have had an easier time in life", then it doesn't seem like much of a fix, does it? Racism and bigotry need to be wrong in all cases or the moral authority against them is diminished.

st3v3r 11y ago
Except no one is talking about disadvantaging people of a certain skin color (white). We're talking about trying to help bring everyone else up to the same level.
- crusso 11y ago
  As someone with white children applying for college, I can say without question that skin color is used to disadvantage certain people.
  - st3v3r 11y ago
    No, it isn't. You're not getting the advantage you used to have. That's different.

maratd 11y ago

> if it can be fixed why not fix it? Because your cure is worse than the disease. > you don't think any effort should be spent trying to correct something that's broken in the world. I think racism is bad. I think it's bad in all circumstances because it corrupts our meritocratic society. Using racism to fix racism is dumb. Because racism is bad in all circumstances.

danenania 11y ago
Our meritocratic society? Which planet are you from? Here on earth, we have no meritocratic society, but we do have a lot of people who confuse the advantages of their birth + not dropping the ball with pure merit. 80% of humanity lives on less than $10 per day. Do you not believe that among those billions of people, there could be many who are just as smart and hardworking as you, but have no access to the physical, social, and cultural capital they need to rise above subsistence living? If your so-called meritocracy only applies to 10% of the earth's population, it isn't much of one.
- nugget 11y ago
  It's interesting to note that increasing inequality within the US has been a byproduct of decreasing inequality world wide, as formerly impoverished frontier economies were allowed to compete against the American lower and lower middle working classes. This point always seems to get lost in the discussion.
st3v3r 11y ago
Anyone who thinks society is actually meritocratic is deluding themselves. And no one is using racism to fix racism. Only someone who is desperately clinging to that advantage they have for being white would say that.