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Curious, where did you move to? I am also looking to leave the valley someday, but am afraid that the jobs won't be as plentiful as they are here.

pc86 10y ago
Of course they won't be. If anyplace else in the country had the volume of jobs that SV had, it would have equivalent salaries. But it'd also have roughly equivalent cost of living. It's almost a certainty that you will make less (cue anecdata), but cost of living will almost certainly bring you out on top. In my area unless you want to be one of maybe two "IT guys" in an office, there's really only 8-10 employers within a half hour commute. There is no shortage of turnover or people bouncing around between them as positions open up. Sure it's not like SV where you can probably swing a dead cat and hit someone looking to hire a Go ninja rockstar, but there are plenty of coding jobs, especially if you're familiar with Java or C#.
mikeokner 10y ago
Most large metros will have at least a halfway-decent number of software jobs available. NYC, Chicago, Dallas, Boston, Minneapolis, St. Louis, etc. all have decent markets. It won't be like SV where there are a million startups, but they also won't be 100% corporate, either. Check out LinkedIn or Dice or something to check a specific area.
- vonmoltke 10y ago
  Eh, Dallas is about 80% corporate, with the majority being non-software companies. It's really depressing since I don't have any interest in that kind of work beyond the money. There is some small to midsize web/mobile work to be had, though.
jdcarter 10y ago
I left the valley in 1991, right before the "web 1.0" bubble burst. I moved to Boulder, Colorado. It's wonderful here. There's tech companies--including an active startup scene--but people are far more balanced, even the nerds.
- shostack 10y ago
  Unfortunately the housing prices in Boulder are pretty close the Bay Area but I've heard the pay has not even come close. Thoughts on that?
- tenementfunster 10y ago
  Yeah but Boulder has some pretty crazy bubble issues of its own... I'm in the process of heading back to Denver in a couple months because I can't deal with it anymore. Sure, Denver's tech scene is bush league compared to Boulder's but there's only so much hippy-dippy I can deal with.
- hollerith 10y ago
  >I left the valley in 1991, right before the "web 1.0" bubble burst. Huh? I think you have the wrong year! The web existed in 1991, but it was still . . . embryonic. No one had yet made any money on it.
- hollerith 10y ago
  >I left the valley in 1991, right before the "web 1.0" bubble burst. The web existed in 1991, but it was still . . . embryonic. I think you mean 2001.

pc86 10y ago

Of course they won't be. If anyplace else in the country had the volume of jobs that SV had, it would have equivalent salaries. But it'd also have roughly equivalent cost of living. It's almost a certainty that you will make less (cue anecdata), but cost of living will almost certainly bring you out on top. In my area unless you want to be one of maybe two "IT guys" in an office, there's really only 8-10 employers within a half hour commute. There is no shortage of turnover or people bouncing around between them as positions open up. Sure it's not like SV where you can probably swing a dead cat and hit someone looking to hire a Go ninja rockstar, but there are plenty of coding jobs, especially if you're familiar with Java or C#.

mikeokner 10y ago

Most large metros will have at least a halfway-decent number of software jobs available. NYC, Chicago, Dallas, Boston, Minneapolis, St. Louis, etc. all have decent markets. It won't be like SV where there are a million startups, but they also won't be 100% corporate, either. Check out LinkedIn or Dice or something to check a specific area.

vonmoltke 10y ago
Eh, Dallas is about 80% corporate, with the majority being non-software companies. It's really depressing since I don't have any interest in that kind of work beyond the money. There is some small to midsize web/mobile work to be had, though.

jdcarter 10y ago

I left the valley in 1991, right before the "web 1.0" bubble burst. I moved to Boulder, Colorado. It's wonderful here. There's tech companies--including an active startup scene--but people are far more balanced, even the nerds.

shostack 10y ago
Unfortunately the housing prices in Boulder are pretty close the Bay Area but I've heard the pay has not even come close. Thoughts on that?
tenementfunster 10y ago
Yeah but Boulder has some pretty crazy bubble issues of its own... I'm in the process of heading back to Denver in a couple months because I can't deal with it anymore. Sure, Denver's tech scene is bush league compared to Boulder's but there's only so much hippy-dippy I can deal with.
hollerith 10y ago
>I left the valley in 1991, right before the "web 1.0" bubble burst. Huh? I think you have the wrong year! The web existed in 1991, but it was still . . . embryonic. No one had yet made any money on it.
hollerith 10y ago
>I left the valley in 1991, right before the "web 1.0" bubble burst. The web existed in 1991, but it was still . . . embryonic. I think you mean 2001.