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The major problem with this is the person booted is “convicted” of a very serious crime. Getting kicked out because you have been found guilty of rape by some s

The major problem with this is the person booted is “convicted” of a very serious crime. Getting kicked out because you have been found guilty of rape by some sham court is a lot more harmful to the person than getting kicked out because you are disruptive in class. I sometime think we should adopt the Scottish system of not proven [1]. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_proven https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Not_proven

deciplex 11y ago
Yeah, I know. That's why I'm still sympathetic to the view. I would hope that we could still have the tribunals but treat their findings for what they are: the non-professional opinions of a few administrators, based mostly on informal testimony, hearsay, and perhaps a poorly-executed investigation. But, perhaps there is no way to accomplish that in a way palatable to most people attending a school. Maybe people are just going to take the obvious shortcut and say "this school admitted a rapist" instead of what actually happened. If we can't work that out, then maybe these tribunals shouldn't exist. I'm just saying I'm not opposed to them in principle.
- danieltillett 11y ago
  There is really no way to solve this problem when you have basically one person’s word against another. I really feel for the victims, but I don’t know what can be done when the consequences of getting a conviction wrong are so high.
  - Khaine 11y ago
    I mean we could force everyone must wear cameras at all times. But yeah, rape cases are always going to have the lowest rate of conviction because most of the time they fall to he said/she said. I agree, it really sucks for the victims, and as you say the consequences of getting a conviction wrong are so high, and for these reasons we really need to fight these infantizing statements like "we need to listen to the woman's perspective". We do need to listen to victims, and provide them appropriate support but we can't compromise on justice.

deciplex 11y ago

Yeah, I know. That's why I'm still sympathetic to the view. I would hope that we could still have the tribunals but treat their findings for what they are: the non-professional opinions of a few administrators, based mostly on informal testimony, hearsay, and perhaps a poorly-executed investigation. But, perhaps there is no way to accomplish that in a way palatable to most people attending a school. Maybe people are just going to take the obvious shortcut and say "this school admitted a rapist" instead of what actually happened. If we can't work that out, then maybe these tribunals shouldn't exist. I'm just saying I'm not opposed to them in principle.

danieltillett 11y ago
There is really no way to solve this problem when you have basically one person’s word against another. I really feel for the victims, but I don’t know what can be done when the consequences of getting a conviction wrong are so high.
- Khaine 11y ago
  I mean we could force everyone must wear cameras at all times. But yeah, rape cases are always going to have the lowest rate of conviction because most of the time they fall to he said/she said. I agree, it really sucks for the victims, and as you say the consequences of getting a conviction wrong are so high, and for these reasons we really need to fight these infantizing statements like "we need to listen to the woman's perspective". We do need to listen to victims, and provide them appropriate support but we can't compromise on justice.