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It should glad me that everyone seems to discuss this with objective detachment. However, I am shocked that no one cared to touch the moral core of the matter :

by ovi256 17y ago

It should glad me that everyone seems to discuss this with objective detachment. However, I am shocked that no one cared to touch the moral core of the matter : assassination of civil or political leaders is a crime. Can you remember the outrage when Rabin was assassinated ? Can you imagine the outrage if Palestine assassinated an Israeli statesman ? What the Mossad did is no different.

tokenadult 17y ago
assassination of civil or political leaders is a crime Taking your wording as my guide to the morality of the situation, I'll note that the Hamas person who was assassinated was not an elected political leader, but rather a gun runner and apparent assassin himself. He wasn't traveling under his real name in Dubai, it appears, nor was he traveling with a diplomatic or official (that is, government official's) passport.
- rdtsc 17y ago
  Alright, here is a better 'morality guide': Assassinating someone is a crime.
Enra2 17y ago
I don't like deontological ethics, I especially don't like this sloppy kind. It seems extremely implausible that the moral benefits of a crime could never outweigh its cost. The US has assassinated A LOT of al Qaeda and Taliban members in the "war on terror", is it more permissible if they do it with a drone (even if it does cause more collateral damage) because it just "seems more like war" than the James Bond stuff Mossad has been up to?
- rdtsc 17y ago
  > The US has assassinated A LOT of al Qaeda and Taliban members in the "war on terror", I don't like the "if we do it, it's ok" ethics though. So if US does and does it A LOT (sic) then it's ok?
  - Enra2 17y ago
    I'm not american. Not a big fan of US foreign policy either. My point is that being upset about assassination of foreign leaders because it is "a crime" looks pretty silly unless you are a full blown pacifist (and thus not OK with any of the killing states at war have done). In that case you look pretty silly anyway.
cema 17y ago
Rabin was assassinated for political reasons, as part of internal (Israel's) political discourse. This guy was assassinated for completely different reasons, as part of an ongoing war (or, if you prefer, anti-terrorist operation). "Can you imagine the outrage if Palestine assassinated an Israeli statesman?" It has happened in the past (Rehavam Zeevi), however the perpetrators were not PA officials, so the answer too was not directed at PA but at the people who had done it. Finally, calling the guy killed in Dubai a Palestinian statesman is preposterous. A very different situation, both in legal and moral aspects.

by ovi256 17y ago

tokenadult 17y ago

assassination of civil or political leaders is a crime Taking your wording as my guide to the morality of the situation, I'll note that the Hamas person who was assassinated was not an elected political leader, but rather a gun runner and apparent assassin himself. He wasn't traveling under his real name in Dubai, it appears, nor was he traveling with a diplomatic or official (that is, government official's) passport.

rdtsc 17y ago
Alright, here is a better 'morality guide': Assassinating someone is a crime.

Enra2 17y ago

I don't like deontological ethics, I especially don't like this sloppy kind. It seems extremely implausible that the moral benefits of a crime could never outweigh its cost. The US has assassinated A LOT of al Qaeda and Taliban members in the "war on terror", is it more permissible if they do it with a drone (even if it does cause more collateral damage) because it just "seems more like war" than the James Bond stuff Mossad has been up to?

rdtsc 17y ago
> The US has assassinated A LOT of al Qaeda and Taliban members in the "war on terror", I don't like the "if we do it, it's ok" ethics though. So if US does and does it A LOT (sic) then it's ok?
- Enra2 17y ago
  I'm not american. Not a big fan of US foreign policy either. My point is that being upset about assassination of foreign leaders because it is "a crime" looks pretty silly unless you are a full blown pacifist (and thus not OK with any of the killing states at war have done). In that case you look pretty silly anyway.

cema 17y ago

Rabin was assassinated for political reasons, as part of internal (Israel's) political discourse. This guy was assassinated for completely different reasons, as part of an ongoing war (or, if you prefer, anti-terrorist operation). "Can you imagine the outrage if Palestine assassinated an Israeli statesman?" It has happened in the past (Rehavam Zeevi), however the perpetrators were not PA officials, so the answer too was not directed at PA but at the people who had done it. Finally, calling the guy killed in Dubai a Palestinian statesman is preposterous. A very different situation, both in legal and moral aspects.