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Great idea ! But if they are going to be interviewing all team members separately through the normal process, it seems unlikely that a team as a whole would pas

by pyb 10y ago

Great idea ! But if they are going to be interviewing all team members separately through the normal process, it seems unlikely that a team as a whole would pass their bar.

mathattack 10y ago
I think they'd judge the team as a whole, rather than individuals. So it would be "Does the whole team average X?" as opposed to "Does the weakest individual hit bar X?"
- pyb 10y ago
  That's not what I understood from the post.
  - mathattack 10y ago
    Rereading, I think you're right. If we make an offer, we’ll make it to all of you, at the same time; you’d all be free to accept or decline individually, but of course we’d hope you’d all accept This implies individual hiring criteria. It's interesting that they let the group try and solve a problem as a team. I wonder how this will impact compensation and offer acceptances.
- tedmiston 10y ago
  It sounds like the interview process is still mostly individual (emphasis mine): > Once you’ve applied, we’ll take you all through the hiring process together: we’ll make sure you hit the same stages of interviews at the same time, bring you all to the office on the same day, and try to design at least one interview problem that you can work on as a team.
HillaryBriss 10y ago
I thought that too. Maybe the team should be evaluated as a _team_? I mean, forget the individual resumes altogether. If everyone on the proposed incoming team says they're happy with everyone else on the proposed incoming team, then just accept that at face value and hire the team. Also, if the conventional wisdom is that hiring excellent tech individuals is difficult, then hiring excellent tech teams -- would that be easier or harder than hiring individuals?
- ryandrake 10y ago
  If you believe the dogma that one poor hire is worse than several good hires, then you must hire a team without any poor performers: P(goodhire) > P(goodhire)^teamsize
  - hibikir 10y ago
    But you are assuming your filtering mechanism, in a short window of interviewing, si actually any better than the people that have worked with that person for many months, if not years! Haven't you ever recommended someone, just to see them not get hired for reasons that don't seem realistic? I have, it happens all the time. Companies are often selective, in the same way that asking a candidate to roll a D20 and only hiring them if they roll a 3 is selective. If 4 people that work together and I want to hire happen to bring in a 5th person that did worse in my interviews, I don't worry about their judgement: I wonder about my interview process!

by pyb 10y ago

Great idea ! But if they are going to be interviewing all team members separately through the normal process, it seems unlikely that a team as a whole would pass their bar.

mathattack 10y ago

I think they'd judge the team as a whole, rather than individuals. So it would be "Does the whole team average X?" as opposed to "Does the weakest individual hit bar X?"

pyb 10y ago
That's not what I understood from the post.
- mathattack 10y ago
  Rereading, I think you're right. If we make an offer, we’ll make it to all of you, at the same time; you’d all be free to accept or decline individually, but of course we’d hope you’d all accept This implies individual hiring criteria. It's interesting that they let the group try and solve a problem as a team. I wonder how this will impact compensation and offer acceptances.
tedmiston 10y ago
It sounds like the interview process is still mostly individual (emphasis mine): > Once you’ve applied, we’ll take you all through the hiring process together: we’ll make sure you hit the same stages of interviews at the same time, bring you all to the office on the same day, and try to design at least one interview problem that you can work on as a team.

HillaryBriss 10y ago

I thought that too. Maybe the team should be evaluated as a _team_? I mean, forget the individual resumes altogether. If everyone on the proposed incoming team says they're happy with everyone else on the proposed incoming team, then just accept that at face value and hire the team. Also, if the conventional wisdom is that hiring excellent tech individuals is difficult, then hiring excellent tech teams -- would that be easier or harder than hiring individuals?

ryandrake 10y ago
If you believe the dogma that one poor hire is worse than several good hires, then you must hire a team without any poor performers: P(goodhire) > P(goodhire)^teamsize
- hibikir 10y ago
  But you are assuming your filtering mechanism, in a short window of interviewing, si actually any better than the people that have worked with that person for many months, if not years! Haven't you ever recommended someone, just to see them not get hired for reasons that don't seem realistic? I have, it happens all the time. Companies are often selective, in the same way that asking a candidate to roll a D20 and only hiring them if they roll a 3 is selective. If 4 people that work together and I want to hire happen to bring in a 5th person that did worse in my interviews, I don't worry about their judgement: I wonder about my interview process!