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Yeah, I'll confess that this is a real deal breaker for me personally .. I'll be having a closer look at ports and maybe fink soon. Maybe after all its time to

Yeah, I'll confess that this is a real deal breaker for me personally .. I'll be having a closer look at ports and maybe fink soon. Maybe after all its time to get off OSX and back to Linux, where these sorts of things happen less frequently ..

oh_sigh 11y ago
Or you could just say HOMEBREW_NO_ANALYTICS=1 and be done with it.
- 0x0 11y ago
  Until next month when we might need to set HOMEBREW_NO_PIWIK=1337...
  - mikeryan 11y ago
    I'd assume "NO_ANALYTICS" would mean "no analytics" not "no google analytics?
    - Touche 11y ago
      I'd assume that software that wasn't sending analytics wouldn't start doing so without at least informing me first, but I'd be wrong. I think the parents point is that we can't trust Homebrew to do the right thing, because they've now chosen not to.
    - 0x0 11y ago
      Who knows!? This marks quite a change in attitude where the end user is suddenly responsible for staying on top of newly silently introduced opt-out settings. I'm pretty disappointed and feel the amount of trust I've had in the maintainers have dropped considerably. Sneakily sending random HTTP requests to third party analytics services and stuffing my dotfiles with unique identifiers for tracking purposes is not what I expected from a friendly open source project. This could have been handled much better with some sort of opt-in prompt like the debian installer does for its popcon usage tracker.
      - fit2rule 11y ago
        >This marks quite a change in attitude where the end user is suddenly responsible for staying on top of newly silently introduced opt-out settings. I'm pretty disappointed and feel the amount of trust I've had in the maintainers have dropped considerably. I agree with you. I'd much rather have this be out in the open - like, ever 5th time I run 'brew' or something, it asks me for permission to send analytics, and the options are "YES-once, YES-Always, NO-NEVER", and if I say NO, NEVER, it never asks me again. If spying on me can be automated, so can not spying on me.
    - hk__2 11y ago
      Yep, and as you can see if you read the code there are as few references to GA as possible so that it’d be easy to change the service we use without editing code everywhere.
ARussell 11y ago
Maybe try out Nix while you're at it, too! I'm using NixOS, and I'm pretty happy with it so far. The standalone package manager fills the same niche as Homebrew, I think.
- Juan1 11y ago
  I only use Linux, so what do I know, but... is the highly interesting Nix package manager a full alternative to Homebrew ?
throwanem 11y ago
If it means that much to you, why not add host file entries to point GA's DNS records at 0.0.0.0 or something else invalid? If you don't trust that either, supplement it with packet filter rules to drop traffic heading to the IP addresses to which those names (currently) resolve. Switching platforms seems like a major overreaction here.
- mortenlarsen 11y ago
  Privacy should be the default.
  - toomuchtodo 11y ago
    Only if you're willing to pay for it. Otherwise, you trade privacy for convenience, or some other benefit. Its, of course, always your choice if you're willing to trade it for something.
    - mortenlarsen 11y ago
      There is a lot of free, open and convenient software that respects my privacy. Do you think money or privacy violations must be part of the equation to make good software? That is like the old argument against free/open software that I heard from a lot of people, back in the 90's. I thought we were past that.
- fit2rule 11y ago
  Its a huge hassle, and I don't want to have to keep fighting the battle against this policy. So I'll just rather switch.
engiqueer 11y ago
Have fun with a shittier product that may actually collect data on you but isn't open enough to tell you about it. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. No one will miss you!

oh_sigh 11y ago

Or you could just say HOMEBREW_NO_ANALYTICS=1 and be done with it.

0x0 11y ago
Until next month when we might need to set HOMEBREW_NO_PIWIK=1337...
- mikeryan 11y ago
  I'd assume "NO_ANALYTICS" would mean "no analytics" not "no google analytics?
  - Touche 11y ago
    I'd assume that software that wasn't sending analytics wouldn't start doing so without at least informing me first, but I'd be wrong. I think the parents point is that we can't trust Homebrew to do the right thing, because they've now chosen not to.
  - 0x0 11y ago
    Who knows!? This marks quite a change in attitude where the end user is suddenly responsible for staying on top of newly silently introduced opt-out settings. I'm pretty disappointed and feel the amount of trust I've had in the maintainers have dropped considerably. Sneakily sending random HTTP requests to third party analytics services and stuffing my dotfiles with unique identifiers for tracking purposes is not what I expected from a friendly open source project. This could have been handled much better with some sort of opt-in prompt like the debian installer does for its popcon usage tracker.
    - fit2rule 11y ago
      >This marks quite a change in attitude where the end user is suddenly responsible for staying on top of newly silently introduced opt-out settings. I'm pretty disappointed and feel the amount of trust I've had in the maintainers have dropped considerably. I agree with you. I'd much rather have this be out in the open - like, ever 5th time I run 'brew' or something, it asks me for permission to send analytics, and the options are "YES-once, YES-Always, NO-NEVER", and if I say NO, NEVER, it never asks me again. If spying on me can be automated, so can not spying on me.
  - hk__2 11y ago
    Yep, and as you can see if you read the code there are as few references to GA as possible so that it’d be easy to change the service we use without editing code everywhere.

ARussell 11y ago

Maybe try out Nix while you're at it, too! I'm using NixOS, and I'm pretty happy with it so far. The standalone package manager fills the same niche as Homebrew, I think.

Juan1 11y ago
I only use Linux, so what do I know, but... is the highly interesting Nix package manager a full alternative to Homebrew ?

throwanem 11y ago

If it means that much to you, why not add host file entries to point GA's DNS records at 0.0.0.0 or something else invalid? If you don't trust that either, supplement it with packet filter rules to drop traffic heading to the IP addresses to which those names (currently) resolve. Switching platforms seems like a major overreaction here.

mortenlarsen 11y ago
Privacy should be the default.
- toomuchtodo 11y ago
  Only if you're willing to pay for it. Otherwise, you trade privacy for convenience, or some other benefit. Its, of course, always your choice if you're willing to trade it for something.
  - mortenlarsen 11y ago
    There is a lot of free, open and convenient software that respects my privacy. Do you think money or privacy violations must be part of the equation to make good software? That is like the old argument against free/open software that I heard from a lot of people, back in the 90's. I thought we were past that.
fit2rule 11y ago
Its a huge hassle, and I don't want to have to keep fighting the battle against this policy. So I'll just rather switch.

engiqueer 11y ago

Have fun with a shittier product that may actually collect data on you but isn't open enough to tell you about it. Don't let the door hit you on the way out. No one will miss you!