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I haven't heard anything about the latest agreement, other than that it will involve a buyback offer, unspecified fixes, and/or compensation. You don't have a s

by guscost 11y ago

I haven't heard anything about the latest agreement, other than that it will involve a buyback offer, unspecified fixes, and/or compensation. You don't have a source do you? There's been a lot of speculation all along, will they retrofit DEF systems, will the cars just get super unreliable because the systems can't handle prolonged legal operation, etc.

criddell 11y ago
No, I don't have a source I can point you to. I was talking to a Audi mechanic last weekend. He told me that 2015 cars were pretty much unaffected and will likely only get a firmware tweak. 2013-2014 cars need to hold 1/2 gallon more exhaust fluid and apparently that's doable (and also new firmware). Older cars are a bigger problem and will likely get a combination of fixes but in the end, they are going to be louder, fuel hungry cars after getting "fixed". The oldest cars will likely get owners a buy-back offer because the depreciated value is lower than the cost to fix.
- guscost 11y ago
  OK thanks.
- Grishnakh 11y ago
  >He told me that 2015 cars were pretty much unaffected and will likely only get a firmware tweak And what exactly will this firmware tweak do? If it decreases performance or fuel economy, then that isn't acceptable. The customer bought the car because it advertised X horsepower and Y mpg; if the firmware tweak changes that, then that's false advertising and the company needs to refund their money in full.
  - criddell 11y ago
    VW is offering some compensation too. There are also a bunch of big lawsuits chugging along. If you aren't happy with the settlement VW is offering, join one of the lawsuits. Those are pretty much your only options.
    - Grishnakh 11y ago
      Luckily, I don't own a VW, I'm just pointing out how this is a scam. If I were a VW customer, I'd be really pissed. I'm really glad I passed on VWs and bought a Mazda instead. What's really stupid is that it sounds like they should be able to get the advertised power and economy with the required low emissions simply by using more DEF. I'm assuming the DEF liquid isn't too expensive here, but if they just made it so you needed to refill it every 1000 miles, that should solve the problem. Heck, why can't they just make it available at gas stations too? Having this idiotic notion that only dealers should be able to refill the stuff, and that it needs to be done at 10k intervals, is what's making it impossible. Why not require that cars must be able to carry enough fuel to drive 10,000 miles while they're at it? It makes as much sense.

by guscost 11y ago

criddell 11y ago

No, I don't have a source I can point you to. I was talking to a Audi mechanic last weekend. He told me that 2015 cars were pretty much unaffected and will likely only get a firmware tweak. 2013-2014 cars need to hold 1/2 gallon more exhaust fluid and apparently that's doable (and also new firmware). Older cars are a bigger problem and will likely get a combination of fixes but in the end, they are going to be louder, fuel hungry cars after getting "fixed". The oldest cars will likely get owners a buy-back offer because the depreciated value is lower than the cost to fix.

guscost 11y ago
OK thanks.
Grishnakh 11y ago
>He told me that 2015 cars were pretty much unaffected and will likely only get a firmware tweak And what exactly will this firmware tweak do? If it decreases performance or fuel economy, then that isn't acceptable. The customer bought the car because it advertised X horsepower and Y mpg; if the firmware tweak changes that, then that's false advertising and the company needs to refund their money in full.
- criddell 11y ago
  VW is offering some compensation too. There are also a bunch of big lawsuits chugging along. If you aren't happy with the settlement VW is offering, join one of the lawsuits. Those are pretty much your only options.
  - Grishnakh 11y ago
    Luckily, I don't own a VW, I'm just pointing out how this is a scam. If I were a VW customer, I'd be really pissed. I'm really glad I passed on VWs and bought a Mazda instead. What's really stupid is that it sounds like they should be able to get the advertised power and economy with the required low emissions simply by using more DEF. I'm assuming the DEF liquid isn't too expensive here, but if they just made it so you needed to refill it every 1000 miles, that should solve the problem. Heck, why can't they just make it available at gas stations too? Having this idiotic notion that only dealers should be able to refill the stuff, and that it needs to be done at 10k intervals, is what's making it impossible. Why not require that cars must be able to carry enough fuel to drive 10,000 miles while they're at it? It makes as much sense.