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> Oh, completely ignoring the fact that most people who get Type-2 diabetes are genetically predisposed to it and it can also be caused by things like repeated

> Oh, completely ignoring the fact that most people who get Type-2 diabetes are genetically predisposed to it and it can also be caused by things like repeated bouts of pancreatitis and EPI. Considering MonadQueen said "* 60%* of type-2 diabetics" and "Obese Type-2s" (emphasis mine) I wonder where you got the idea that she as "completely ignoring" anything. > But no, let's shame everyone who is fat for being overindulgent. When and why did telling fat people that being fat hurts their health become "shaming"? Why does telling someone that always jump to a presumption of moral judgment?

busterarm 11y ago
Not everyone is fat because of issues of self control. Hypothyroidism, Cushing's syndrome, PCOS, complications of depression. The accusation was that these cases are self-inflicted. It's WAY more complicated than that.
- vonmoltke 11y ago
  > Hypothyroidism Accounts for about 10 extra pounds on a normal-sized human. Didn't stop me from losing 35 pounds in four months when I was 100 pounds overweight. > PCOS Same as above, assuming PCOS is a cause and not an effect. There seems to be some debate on that in the Ob-Gyn community. > Cushing's syndrome Cushing's is fairly rare, and is usually curable. > complications of depression Yes, depression is a big psychological cause of overeating. Been there. Disentangling the depression from the food is part of the therapy, though. Particularly since it becomes a self-reinforcing cycle where depression begets comfort eating which begets more depression. > The accusation was that these cases are self-inflicted. It's WAY more complicated than that. Always self-inflicted? No. More complicated? Yes. However, except in rare circumstances every underlying condition is treatable or curable. There are synthetic hormones for hypothyroidism. There are cortisol blockers, surgeries, and other treatments for Cushing's. PCOS is incurable but treatable, ironically considering the subject by weight loss. Depression is treatable, though it can be a struggle. Obesity may not be self-inflicted in all cases, but it is almost always resolvable. I'm resolving it, despite having two of the things you listed. You can't just throw your hands up and complain about "conditions" as an excuse to not do anything about the problem. Hell, everything you listed has potentially serious problems if untreated even if it doesn't cause weight gain.
softawre 11y ago
Does being uneducated hurt your career options? Do you go around telling people that it does? What about being ugly, does that hurt your dating options? Like being fat, both are things you can improve/fix with enough work.
monad100 11y ago
Dang will ban you for telling the Truth about fatties. He is fat.
MonadQueen 11y ago
And I got banned for saying the Truth.

busterarm 11y ago

Not everyone is fat because of issues of self control. Hypothyroidism, Cushing's syndrome, PCOS, complications of depression. The accusation was that these cases are self-inflicted. It's WAY more complicated than that.

vonmoltke 11y ago
> Hypothyroidism Accounts for about 10 extra pounds on a normal-sized human. Didn't stop me from losing 35 pounds in four months when I was 100 pounds overweight. > PCOS Same as above, assuming PCOS is a cause and not an effect. There seems to be some debate on that in the Ob-Gyn community. > Cushing's syndrome Cushing's is fairly rare, and is usually curable. > complications of depression Yes, depression is a big psychological cause of overeating. Been there. Disentangling the depression from the food is part of the therapy, though. Particularly since it becomes a self-reinforcing cycle where depression begets comfort eating which begets more depression. > The accusation was that these cases are self-inflicted. It's WAY more complicated than that. Always self-inflicted? No. More complicated? Yes. However, except in rare circumstances every underlying condition is treatable or curable. There are synthetic hormones for hypothyroidism. There are cortisol blockers, surgeries, and other treatments for Cushing's. PCOS is incurable but treatable, ironically considering the subject by weight loss. Depression is treatable, though it can be a struggle. Obesity may not be self-inflicted in all cases, but it is almost always resolvable. I'm resolving it, despite having two of the things you listed. You can't just throw your hands up and complain about "conditions" as an excuse to not do anything about the problem. Hell, everything you listed has potentially serious problems if untreated even if it doesn't cause weight gain.

softawre 11y ago

Does being uneducated hurt your career options? Do you go around telling people that it does? What about being ugly, does that hurt your dating options? Like being fat, both are things you can improve/fix with enough work.

monad100 11y ago

Dang will ban you for telling the Truth about fatties. He is fat.

MonadQueen 11y ago

And I got banned for saying the Truth.