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You think that this: http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2015/09/vw-stock-sept-22.png.650x0_q70_crop-smart.jpg http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2

You think that this: http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2015/09/vw-stock-sept-22.png.650x0_q70_crop-smart.jpg http://media.treehugger.com/assets/images/2015/09/vw-stock-s... is coercing a corporation to be an amoral entity? No, VW thought they could get away with cheating, and they were found out, with disastrous consequences to their bottom line. The obvious market serving behavior would have been to avoid cheating. When VW cheated they were serving neither the public nor their shareholders, they were just being dumb.

rurban 11y ago
First of all, they didn't caught VW cheating, they caught Audi cheating, amongst others. VW was using those Audi engines. The press just jumped on VW, because they were the biggest and can take the biggest hit. Second, the cheaters, and all of them were cheating as already presented at the CCC congress some months ago, used all the same Bosch ECU, which had the cheating option built-in with a misleading variable name, which did the detection of the test cycle. And any engine manifacturer can enable or disable this mode. Passing the test means the legally they are all fine. Because the european and non-US emission law just honors passing this test cycle. In the US it's different. Third, historically everybody was cheating with those NOx tests. The US companies starting with that, the Asians got caught, now everybody got caught, with the new VW and Audi A5 engines actually having the least emissions of all, together with Skoda Superb and BMW 3. Limiting the damage done to VW was a good marketing trick, and you are still falling for it.
- oarsinsync 11y ago
  > First of all, they didn't caught VW cheating, they caught Audi cheating, amongst others. VW was using those Audi engines. The press just jumped on VW, because they were the biggest and can take the biggest hit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi Owner Volkswagen Group (99.55%)

rurban 11y ago

First of all, they didn't caught VW cheating, they caught Audi cheating, amongst others. VW was using those Audi engines. The press just jumped on VW, because they were the biggest and can take the biggest hit. Second, the cheaters, and all of them were cheating as already presented at the CCC congress some months ago, used all the same Bosch ECU, which had the cheating option built-in with a misleading variable name, which did the detection of the test cycle. And any engine manifacturer can enable or disable this mode. Passing the test means the legally they are all fine. Because the european and non-US emission law just honors passing this test cycle. In the US it's different. Third, historically everybody was cheating with those NOx tests. The US companies starting with that, the Asians got caught, now everybody got caught, with the new VW and Audi A5 engines actually having the least emissions of all, together with Skoda Superb and BMW 3. Limiting the damage done to VW was a good marketing trick, and you are still falling for it.

oarsinsync 11y ago
> First of all, they didn't caught VW cheating, they caught Audi cheating, amongst others. VW was using those Audi engines. The press just jumped on VW, because they were the biggest and can take the biggest hit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi Owner Volkswagen Group (99.55%)