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HTML5 Media Source Extensions: Bringing Production Video to the Web

21 points by slederer 10y ago

slederer 10y ago
I tried to give an overview on the technical details of the HTML5 MSE/EME, which is used e.g. by Netflix and Youtube. If you are interested in any details, just post it here, happy to answer.
- mozumder 10y ago
  So, does every website need to build their own Javascript MSE player? Why isn't this built into the browser?
  - slederer 10y ago
    there are of the shelf players supporting the EME (see above), thus you can just use one of them. It makes actually sense to seperate the player from the decoding (MSE), as the browser manufacturers might not be able to provide a good implementation of streaming formats. We saw this already with poor implementations of streaming formats/players on TV-sets, so it's good to have specialized and good working player vendors/projects.
- tapsboy 10y ago
  What 3rd party players do you recommend for HTML5 MSE/EME based playback across popular browsers?
  - slederer 10y ago
    on the open source side, shaka (https://github.com/google/shaka-player https://github.com/google/shaka-player), dash.js (https://github.com/Dash-Industry-Forum/dash.js/wiki https://github.com/Dash-Industry-Forum/dash.js/wiki) and hls.js (http://dailymotion.github.io/hls.js/demo/ http://dailymotion.github.io/hls.js/demo/) are good. on the commercial prodcut side, the bitmovin player https://bitmovin.com/player/ https://bitmovin.com/player/ is best one covering HLS & DASH on all browsers. There are also a lot of demos at http://www.dash-player.com/demo/ http://www.dash-player.com/demo/
manfrominterne 10y ago
Without detracting anything from MSE, EME doesn't bring "production video" to the web. It brings useless encryption that needs to die before it even sees the light. Maybe you really need a reminder if you think that EME does anything useful: look at blueray or any encrypted video technology before it. Now, your users already paid for it. They're logged-in and the transport is secured. If they want to copy the video, they'll do it anyway. So please, let's kill this draft.
- mozumder 10y ago
  You're not going to get Hollywood to publish online without EME. This is the discussion about whether you want Hollywood movies to exist online or not, and they're perfectly happy to go without online streaming.
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  - lomnakkus 10y ago
    > You're not going to get Hollywood to publish online without EME. Then they don't publish online. It's not the end of the world. > This is the discussion about whether you want Hollywood movies to exist online or not, and they're perfectly happy to go without online streaming. I'd say "perfectly happy" is an overstatement... given that they are the ones trying to push nonsense this though.
- slederer 10y ago
  the EME is widely used by services like Netflix, Hulu, etc., and it's now the first time that DRM is not a pain for developers. So I think the EME helps to simplify a huge problem (=DRM), and make it manageable for the people to use it.
  - moron4hire 10y ago
    DRM is a huge problem. A huge problem for legitimate users who purchased their media from legitimate sources. It's a huge problem for content creators as it pushes consumers who would otherwise have purchased media to pirating it because pirating is the easier path. The only people DRM doesn't hurt is pirates.
0x0 10y ago
Are binary black-box EMEs going to be the new flash&java-applet of web vulnerabilities?
- slederer 10y ago
  hopefully not :-) the difference between Flash-like plugins and the EME is that the EME is directly build into the browser, with a narrow and focussed use case. This limits als the vulnerability, in contrast to a lot more powerful plugin-systems like Flash or Silverlight or Java.

21 points by slederer 10y ago

I tried to give an overview on the technical details of the HTML5 MSE/EME, which is used e.g. by Netflix and Youtube. If you are interested in any details, just post it here, happy to answer.

mozumder 10y ago
So, does every website need to build their own Javascript MSE player? Why isn't this built into the browser?
- slederer 10y ago
  there are of the shelf players supporting the EME (see above), thus you can just use one of them. It makes actually sense to seperate the player from the decoding (MSE), as the browser manufacturers might not be able to provide a good implementation of streaming formats. We saw this already with poor implementations of streaming formats/players on TV-sets, so it's good to have specialized and good working player vendors/projects.
tapsboy 10y ago
What 3rd party players do you recommend for HTML5 MSE/EME based playback across popular browsers?
- slederer 10y ago
  on the open source side, shaka (https://github.com/google/shaka-player https://github.com/google/shaka-player), dash.js (https://github.com/Dash-Industry-Forum/dash.js/wiki https://github.com/Dash-Industry-Forum/dash.js/wiki) and hls.js (http://dailymotion.github.io/hls.js/demo/ http://dailymotion.github.io/hls.js/demo/) are good. on the commercial prodcut side, the bitmovin player https://bitmovin.com/player/ https://bitmovin.com/player/ is best one covering HLS & DASH on all browsers. There are also a lot of demos at http://www.dash-player.com/demo/ http://www.dash-player.com/demo/

manfrominterne 10y ago

Without detracting anything from MSE, EME doesn't bring "production video" to the web. It brings useless encryption that needs to die before it even sees the light. Maybe you really need a reminder if you think that EME does anything useful: look at blueray or any encrypted video technology before it. Now, your users already paid for it. They're logged-in and the transport is secured. If they want to copy the video, they'll do it anyway. So please, let's kill this draft.

mozumder 10y ago
You're not going to get Hollywood to publish online without EME. This is the discussion about whether you want Hollywood movies to exist online or not, and they're perfectly happy to go without online streaming.
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- lomnakkus 10y ago
  > You're not going to get Hollywood to publish online without EME. Then they don't publish online. It's not the end of the world. > This is the discussion about whether you want Hollywood movies to exist online or not, and they're perfectly happy to go without online streaming. I'd say "perfectly happy" is an overstatement... given that they are the ones trying to push nonsense this though.
slederer 10y ago
the EME is widely used by services like Netflix, Hulu, etc., and it's now the first time that DRM is not a pain for developers. So I think the EME helps to simplify a huge problem (=DRM), and make it manageable for the people to use it.
- moron4hire 10y ago
  DRM is a huge problem. A huge problem for legitimate users who purchased their media from legitimate sources. It's a huge problem for content creators as it pushes consumers who would otherwise have purchased media to pirating it because pirating is the easier path. The only people DRM doesn't hurt is pirates.

0x0 10y ago

Are binary black-box EMEs going to be the new flash&java-applet of web vulnerabilities?

slederer 10y ago
hopefully not :-) the difference between Flash-like plugins and the EME is that the EME is directly build into the browser, with a narrow and focussed use case. This limits als the vulnerability, in contrast to a lot more powerful plugin-systems like Flash or Silverlight or Java.