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> The simple fact is that based on the tests and the impact of NOx on population health, the sale of diesel cars should be stopped immediately Extremely dising
by MagnumOpus 11y ago
> The simple fact is that based on the tests and the impact of NOx on population health, the sale of diesel cars should be stopped immediately
Extremely disingenous. You know what happens when the sale of diesel cars/taxis/buses stops? The old ones get driven longer.
You know what vehicles create the lion's share in NOx emissions? The ones built and sold before 2000 when Euro3 emission standards started limiting NOx emissions. The majority of London "quaint" TX4 black cabs are of this toxic variety, as are the majority of their buses. (This is probably similar to much of the rest of Europe). Taking 50 new diesel vehicles off the street will do less than upgrading a single one of these legacy vehicles to a state-of-the-art diesel engine. Your proposed policy would be counterproductive.
- zo1 11y agoI think the person you're responding to meant some sort of "immediate action", not necessarily just stopping the sale of new diesel cars. Precisely because we have to be sensible about the actual culprits of emission.
- kuschku 11y ago> (This is probably similar to much of the rest of Europe) In Germany, we actually limited almost all cities to cars passing Euro 4, and many even to cars passing Euro 6. Cars get a sticker with a color based on which standard they pass, and the zones are limited to cars with a sticker of the proper color. So most busses in Germany are Euro VI now.
- Symbiote 11y agoLondon's bus fleet is also pretty new. All meet Euro 4, and over 20% at least Euro 5. [1] The taxis are the problem -- London's low emission zone (similar to those in Germany) only applies to large vehicles, taxis are not included. There are thousands of taxis over 10 years old still running in London [2]. > So most buses in Germany are Euro VI now. Really? That would mean most buses in Germany are less than 3 years old, which seems unlikely. [1] https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2014/july/world-s-largest-bus-retrofit-programme-compjeted https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2014/july/w... [2] https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/spread_of_ages_of_londons_black https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/spread_of_ages_of_lon...
- kuschku 11y agoIn my city all busses are Euro VI, in several others they already switched to hybrids or are testing fully electric busses.
- takno 11y agoThe maximum allowable age for London Taxis is 15 years. The actual breakdown is detailed here https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/spread_of_ages_of_londons_black https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/spread_of_ages_of_lon...