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That isn't socialism nor what socialism purports to be. Socialism at it's core can be distilled down to how labor relates to its means of production. That's it
by fucking_tragedy 11y ago
That isn't socialism nor what socialism purports to be.
Socialism at it's core can be distilled down to how labor relates to its means of production. That's it. If workers themselves own and manage the facilities and materials necessary for employment, that is socialism.
Individual liberty and free markets are not contradicted by the tenets of socialism. It can and has been argued that individual liberties can be strengthened through such a system. Market economies are what much of socialist thought revolves around. Again, socialism is defined by how labor relates to the means of production and that is it.
Neither of the two are required for a functioning capitalist economy. Freedom of speech, religion, movement and association aren't guarantees and is down right outlawed in much of the world that's implemented a capitalist system. You'd be hard pressed to find a single truly "free market" in practice at any point in time.
Yours seems like a judgment stemming from an ideology rather than one coming from a historic perspective. You aren't doing yourself any favors intellectually if you want to continue claiming Nazism is a socialist ideology. It is hard to have a historic discussion with someone whose arguments are based on a feeling rather than documented history and accepted definitions.
- reitanqild 11y agoTell that to certain socialist parties in Europe. Methinks they definitely want to decide what is "best for everyone" on many levels, not only production and labour. If we were to argue by textbook definitions, and only by the definitions created by those in question, then we could have some weird discussions. I mean, capitalists often don't decribe themself as evil either.
- jwdunne 11y agoThe problem is just that: they use the terms for their own ends. For example, North Korea is officially named "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". I dunno what sort of harsh totalitarian regime is democratic and the people's! Another example: the UK Labour party states it is a democratic socialist party. I don't think the premiership of Blair/Brown can be described as anything like that. I'm sure this is the case for many Labour parties across Europe (except for the UK, as of recent, that is...)