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It will change once our future Politicians, CEOs, Generals, Judges, Celebs etc start seeing their lives and decisions get effected by all that data about them o

by PJules 10y ago

It will change once our future Politicians, CEOs, Generals, Judges, Celebs etc start seeing their lives and decisions get effected by all that data about them out there. Until then its hard to imagine anything changing. Ofcourse Google and Facebook can stop being robotic slaves to advertising revenue and go the Wikipedia route. But that would be like expecting the big banks and rating agencies to do what was right at the peak of the subprime crisis. Its amazing to watch how some of the smartest people on the planet can get stuck on tracks they can't get of. Highly recommend Douglas Rushkoff on this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87TSoqnZass https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87TSoqnZass

glasz 10y ago
> It will change once our future Politicians, CEOs, Generals, Judges, Celebs etc start seeing their lives and decisions get effected by all that data about them out there. that's a bunch of wishful thinking if not baloney. everybody's in that game. blackmail will be so inflationary that it won't work. the only difference to today will be much, much easier intrusion if not outright ban of privacy. now you don't tell me that won't happen. just look at the billions of sheep screwing around on facebook, uploading personal pictures to all kinds of clouds and using pictures of themselves on linked in and twitter, throwing their fingerprints into every database there is just to get a drivers license or take a flight somewhere, going along with secret courts, not objecting to international flight passenger records exchange, still believing the stories they're told about syria, lybia, iraq, iran, russia. still watching fox news et al, still voting for suckers like clinton, sanders, trump. everybody still believes at least some part of the charade. we got to where we are without anybody noticing or at least while ridiculing anybody who actually noticed and spoke out. this will go on and sheep will lose. sheep are sheep.
reddytowns 10y ago
I think we need a fundamental change of how the internet works to make it happen. Something like http://www.idni.org/tauchain http://www.idni.org/tauchain could do this. We need provable code, and the ability to communicate directly with each other rather than to rely on servers owned by third parties.
Matt3o12_ 10y ago
> Ofcourse Google and Facebook can stop being robotic slaves to advertising revenue and go the Wikipedia route. But that would be like expecting the big banks and rating agencies to do what was right at the peak of the subprime crisis The big companies are not the scariest parties. While I don't like what they are doing, Google, etc, kind of protect my data. What worries me most is what the government does with my data. They can do almost anything they want, track my every movement, see what I like and save it forever. While Google does the same, they need to protect that very careful because if this data is misused (and it gets publicized), they could lose billions (which they could not afford to do). If a government agency screws up, there is an "investigation", and, after a few weeks/months the media stops reporting. I'm not saying what either party does is good, but Google and Facebook are not as worrying to me as a government who will only use the data in my best interest and has a perfect track record of safeguarding my data.
- ethanbond 10y ago
  Uhhhhhh where do you think the government is getting that data?
  - Matt3o12_ 10y ago
    A better question is why are they allowed to get that data? I don't think google is serving them that data on a silver plate.
    - ethanbond 10y ago
      Of course they are, once they get a subpoena. Their systems could be engineered such that it's impossible to comply with such requests. But they're not. The reason they're not is... you guessed it: > Google and Facebook [being] robotic slaves to advertising revenues
tehwebguy 10y ago
If Trump's porn history isn't leaked soon we'll know this isn't going to happen
falcolas 10y ago
> It will change once our future Politicians, CEOs, Generals, Judges, Celebs etc start seeing their lives and decisions get effected by all that data about them out there. That's happening now. Savy students with an eye on becoming a Judge have been sanitizing their online and public presence, making it very difficult to figure out what their stance is on any given topic. I imagine that prospective politicians are doing the same thing. Here's what the American Bar association has to say about social media: http://www.americanbar.org/publications/gp_solo/2015/july-august/hazards_an_online_life_how_use_social_media_safely.html http://www.americanbar.org/publications/gp_solo/2015/july-au...

by PJules 10y ago

glasz 10y ago

> It will change once our future Politicians, CEOs, Generals, Judges, Celebs etc start seeing their lives and decisions get effected by all that data about them out there. that's a bunch of wishful thinking if not baloney. everybody's in that game. blackmail will be so inflationary that it won't work. the only difference to today will be much, much easier intrusion if not outright ban of privacy. now you don't tell me that won't happen. just look at the billions of sheep screwing around on facebook, uploading personal pictures to all kinds of clouds and using pictures of themselves on linked in and twitter, throwing their fingerprints into every database there is just to get a drivers license or take a flight somewhere, going along with secret courts, not objecting to international flight passenger records exchange, still believing the stories they're told about syria, lybia, iraq, iran, russia. still watching fox news et al, still voting for suckers like clinton, sanders, trump. everybody still believes at least some part of the charade. we got to where we are without anybody noticing or at least while ridiculing anybody who actually noticed and spoke out. this will go on and sheep will lose. sheep are sheep.

reddytowns 10y ago

I think we need a fundamental change of how the internet works to make it happen. Something like http://www.idni.org/tauchain http://www.idni.org/tauchain could do this. We need provable code, and the ability to communicate directly with each other rather than to rely on servers owned by third parties.

Matt3o12_ 10y ago

> Ofcourse Google and Facebook can stop being robotic slaves to advertising revenue and go the Wikipedia route. But that would be like expecting the big banks and rating agencies to do what was right at the peak of the subprime crisis The big companies are not the scariest parties. While I don't like what they are doing, Google, etc, kind of protect my data. What worries me most is what the government does with my data. They can do almost anything they want, track my every movement, see what I like and save it forever. While Google does the same, they need to protect that very careful because if this data is misused (and it gets publicized), they could lose billions (which they could not afford to do). If a government agency screws up, there is an "investigation", and, after a few weeks/months the media stops reporting. I'm not saying what either party does is good, but Google and Facebook are not as worrying to me as a government who will only use the data in my best interest and has a perfect track record of safeguarding my data.

ethanbond 10y ago
Uhhhhhh where do you think the government is getting that data?
- Matt3o12_ 10y ago
  A better question is why are they allowed to get that data? I don't think google is serving them that data on a silver plate.
  - ethanbond 10y ago
    Of course they are, once they get a subpoena. Their systems could be engineered such that it's impossible to comply with such requests. But they're not. The reason they're not is... you guessed it: > Google and Facebook [being] robotic slaves to advertising revenues

tehwebguy 10y ago

If Trump's porn history isn't leaked soon we'll know this isn't going to happen

falcolas 10y ago

> It will change once our future Politicians, CEOs, Generals, Judges, Celebs etc start seeing their lives and decisions get effected by all that data about them out there. That's happening now. Savy students with an eye on becoming a Judge have been sanitizing their online and public presence, making it very difficult to figure out what their stance is on any given topic. I imagine that prospective politicians are doing the same thing. Here's what the American Bar association has to say about social media: http://www.americanbar.org/publications/gp_solo/2015/july-august/hazards_an_online_life_how_use_social_media_safely.html http://www.americanbar.org/publications/gp_solo/2015/july-au...