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> I don't think reddit's problem is harassment, I think it's groupthink, extremely low quality/uninformed discourse, and brigading. HN isn't immune to these. I

> I don't think reddit's problem is harassment, I think it's groupthink, extremely low quality/uninformed discourse, and brigading. HN isn't immune to these. It suffers just as badly as Reddit. It's just that the cultures are so different. HN is elitist and thinks technology will improve our lives, Reddit is racist and thinks pictures of cute kittens and in-jokes will improve our lives. Both are filled with ignoramuses who get upvoted to the top of a page for catering to that website's niche the most (HN = most elitist comment, Reddit = funniest comment). Anyone else barely sees the light of day, and get downvoted to smithereens. As long as there's an upvote button, I don't think any website can truly solve this. HN tried to fix it by using more algorithms on top of upvotes, but it just doesn't work.

forgetsusername 11y ago
>Anyone else barely sees the light of day, and get downvoted to smithereens. Hey look, you're down-voted. I agree. Look at some of the "top-posters" on the HN scoreboard. Much of their commentary is tepid oatmeal that panders to the "easy" things that HN likes. >HN = most elitist comment I'm not sure I agree with "elitist", but there's definitely a thing, which is well defined by things like "Shit HN says".
- Karunamon 11y ago
  Shit HN says? You mean that twitter account[1] that posts one-off comments, devoid of any and all context, and then attributes it to the entire site as if it were one person? Or representative of the site's users in any way? Nothing positive, or useful, or interesting has ever come out of a "Shit (community) says" group. Those types of (what's the word here.. articles? groups? Whatever, things) are always crass, point-and-laugh-derisively-at-the-stupid-people-ha-ha-look-how-stupid-they-are affairs. Reddit's instance of this cancer (and I don't believe I've chosen the wrong term for something this awful) even functions as a more or less sanctioned voting brigade. [1]: https://twitter.com/shit_hn_says https://twitter.com/shit_hn_says

forgetsusername 11y ago

>Anyone else barely sees the light of day, and get downvoted to smithereens. Hey look, you're down-voted. I agree. Look at some of the "top-posters" on the HN scoreboard. Much of their commentary is tepid oatmeal that panders to the "easy" things that HN likes. >HN = most elitist comment I'm not sure I agree with "elitist", but there's definitely a thing, which is well defined by things like "Shit HN says".

Karunamon 11y ago
Shit HN says? You mean that twitter account[1] that posts one-off comments, devoid of any and all context, and then attributes it to the entire site as if it were one person? Or representative of the site's users in any way? Nothing positive, or useful, or interesting has ever come out of a "Shit (community) says" group. Those types of (what's the word here.. articles? groups? Whatever, things) are always crass, point-and-laugh-derisively-at-the-stupid-people-ha-ha-look-how-stupid-they-are affairs. Reddit's instance of this cancer (and I don't believe I've chosen the wrong term for something this awful) even functions as a more or less sanctioned voting brigade. [1]: https://twitter.com/shit_hn_says https://twitter.com/shit_hn_says