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So from now on, do we present our credentials and cvs before commenting to any extent in public? No. The whole point about science is that anyone at all should

by vixen99 11y ago

So from now on, do we present our credentials and cvs before commenting to any extent in public? No. The whole point about science is that anyone at all should be able to criticize any piece of work on the basis of the facts. Let's suppose the criticism is rubbish. All to the good. That will emerge and so will salient criticism, if it exists, that may have escaped the 'credentialized' scientists. Only my impression of course but reading a few entries in Shtetl-Optimized, I would have thought that Aaronson would certainly appreciate and argue for or against any pertinent comments that some unknown Joe Doe might offer.

pron 11y ago
All I meant is that there's little point in presuming the statement is correct and then asking a followup, when there's little reason to believe that it is in the first place. Aaronson doesn't support this statement, nor does he argue it -- he just asserts it. In any event, my point had little to do with credentials and much to do with knowledge. I don't think Aaronson claims he has too much knowledge in the social sciences, credentialed or otherwise. Would you also presume his medical advice to be correct?
- afarrell 11y ago
  This is argument from authority. But, in a world where we don't go through people's statements and rigorously examine the provenience of each of them, argument from authority is a valid heuristic.
  - pron 11y ago
    Perhaps it is an argument from meta-authority, or a meta-argument from authority :) But I don't think it is. The argument is simply that there's little reason to accept a factual statement as correct if it is not supported by factual study. The reason I'm so sensitive about this issue in particular is that I've personally been involved both with the social sciences and STEM, and I'm extremely annoyed to see people in the latter group put so much emphasis on evidence, and at the same time display such a broad dismissal of the former group without so much as a rudimentary understanding of the field(s). You hardly see historians dismiss research in solid-state physics as you see computer scientists dismiss research in sociology (which goes above and beyond the well-accepted inaccuracy of the latter due to intractability).

by vixen99 11y ago

pron 11y ago

All I meant is that there's little point in presuming the statement is correct and then asking a followup, when there's little reason to believe that it is in the first place. Aaronson doesn't support this statement, nor does he argue it -- he just asserts it. In any event, my point had little to do with credentials and much to do with knowledge. I don't think Aaronson claims he has too much knowledge in the social sciences, credentialed or otherwise. Would you also presume his medical advice to be correct?

afarrell 11y ago
This is argument from authority. But, in a world where we don't go through people's statements and rigorously examine the provenience of each of them, argument from authority is a valid heuristic.
- pron 11y ago
  Perhaps it is an argument from meta-authority, or a meta-argument from authority :) But I don't think it is. The argument is simply that there's little reason to accept a factual statement as correct if it is not supported by factual study. The reason I'm so sensitive about this issue in particular is that I've personally been involved both with the social sciences and STEM, and I'm extremely annoyed to see people in the latter group put so much emphasis on evidence, and at the same time display such a broad dismissal of the former group without so much as a rudimentary understanding of the field(s). You hardly see historians dismiss research in solid-state physics as you see computer scientists dismiss research in sociology (which goes above and beyond the well-accepted inaccuracy of the latter due to intractability).