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> it makes clear exactly what I said It does make clear what you tried to say. Leaving out keywords makes it hard to have a productive conversation. > This i

> it makes clear exactly what I said It does make clear what you tried to say. Leaving out keywords makes it hard to have a productive conversation. > This is not effective advocacy in and way, shape, or form. Thanks to the EFF, among others, we have access to secret rulings by secret courts, something that shouldn't even exist in this country. When the court upholds legal precedent and current statutes to allow warrantless querying of indiscriminately collected data by the FBI for ordinary crimes, many concerned citizens and casual observers would like to know about it. Again, more thanks to the EFF. While it seems to be your focus here and elsewhere on this thread, I'm not interested in debating whether these rulings amount to "news" or "PR" opportunities for the EFF. If you do have alternative sources for info on FISC, its rulings and other legal apparatus involved in trampling Fourth Amendment rights, I'd be glad to check them out.

DannyBee 10y ago
"Thanks to the EFF, among others, we have access to secret rulings by secret courts, something that shouldn't even exist in this country. " Let's be 100% super clear here. This is not thanks to the EFF in any way, shape, or form. To claim otherwise is to simply deny history. "While it seems to be your focus here and elsewhere on this thread, I'm not interested in debating whether these rulings amount to "news" or "PR" opportunities for the EFF." Earlier, and here, you seem super-interested in fawning over the EFF at every possible opportunity. So i guess i'll just say that i'm not interested in watching you white knight for an organization that loves to pat itself on the back for other people's accomplishments. The EFF does good for sure, but like most advocacy based organizations they have to make themselves appear effective to get funding, and they often do that by making themselves look like they are more seriously involved in good outcomes than they really are.

DannyBee 10y ago

"Thanks to the EFF, among others, we have access to secret rulings by secret courts, something that shouldn't even exist in this country. " Let's be 100% super clear here. This is not thanks to the EFF in any way, shape, or form. To claim otherwise is to simply deny history. "While it seems to be your focus here and elsewhere on this thread, I'm not interested in debating whether these rulings amount to "news" or "PR" opportunities for the EFF." Earlier, and here, you seem super-interested in fawning over the EFF at every possible opportunity. So i guess i'll just say that i'm not interested in watching you white knight for an organization that loves to pat itself on the back for other people's accomplishments. The EFF does good for sure, but like most advocacy based organizations they have to make themselves appear effective to get funding, and they often do that by making themselves look like they are more seriously involved in good outcomes than they really are.