<15W TDP is enough for just about any notebook. Any 5W "fat core" CPU is mostly a scam at this point, and they aren't really viable until at least 10nm. They th

<15W TDP is enough for just about any notebook. Any 5W "fat core" CPU is mostly a scam at this point, and they aren't really viable until at least 10nm. They throttle too much (in the ultra-slim devices in which they are put), but Intel wanted to sell them anyway (Broadwell Core M was a complete dud because of this). And Core M is also eating a big chunk out of manufacturers' profits. It's more expensive than a Core i5. Zen will be competitive at all levels in terms of performance, price and power, not just the low-end. Now, if Intel makes the highest-end Core i7 Extreme Ultra Edition chip for say $800, and AMD only makes a highest end chip one that costs $600, then yes, I would imagine Intel would still be the "winner" in "peak performance" in the PC market. But that's an out of context comparison. The price metric should always be included in the context. What I want to know is if I have to spend $200 on a chip and for a TDP of 15W, which one has the best CPU at that price point? AMD or Intel? What about at the $300 price point and a 30W TDP? If it's AMD, then I don't care that Intel can make a 5% faster one for $350. I only said the Zen-based E-series, which will go into things such as $200-$300 Chromebooks, will destroy Intel. And I'm not sure what you mean by "there's no mid-range". The average price for a notebook is around $500.