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According to Nielsen's law of bandwidth, consumer gigabit last mile should be common by now and 10G would be a logical next step development, becoming ubiquitou

by zurn 11y ago

According to Nielsen's law of bandwidth, consumer gigabit last mile should be common by now and 10G would be a logical next step development, becoming ubiquitous in 2020 or so. There's a huge number of houses with idle fiber installed 10+ years ago. Gigabit ethernet was introduced 17 years ago and carries 5 km over fiber. Cable is just waiting for providers to switch on 10 Gbps since years ago. Phone line copper has similar story.. Maybe something like this could jump-start the stalled development of last-mile consumer internet.

revelation 11y ago
You can put the savings into better bandwidth for consumers or lower cost for ISPs. With no competitive pressure for the former in the majority of the country, providers have happily pocketed the 3+ order of magnitude improvements while providing the same old 1990 speed.
- amazon_not 11y ago
  Some of those savings are needed in order to be able to provide 100M/1G to the consumer: - 10G in the distribution - 100G in the core So, even with competitive pressure, consumers can't expect to receive the latest and greatest for peanuts.
amazon_not 11y ago
> There's a huge number of houses with idle fiber installed 10+ years ago. Do you have a source for that? Verizon may have passed 18 million homes, but only the homes which have placed an order for Fios were ever connected. So, no or very little idle fiber. > Gigabit ethernet was introduced 17 years ago and carries 5 km over fiber. Wrong. You can buy off the shelf SFPs with 200 km reach. Use amps if you want longer reach. > Cable is just waiting for providers to switch on 10 Gbps since years ago. You don't just switch on 10 Gbps on cable. First your vendor needs to release DOCSIS 3.1 equipment and you need to test it. Then you need to upgrade your CMTS to DOCSIS 3.1 and swap out any cable modems that don't support 3.1 and dedicate spectrum to DOCSIS 3.1 downstream channels. And it's not since years ago. DOCSIS 3.1 was released a bit over two years ago. Comcast will start rolling out commercial DOCSIS 3.1 service this year. > Phone line copper has similar story... What?! G.fast can theoretically give you 1 Gbps, but only if you already have fiber to your driveway. There aren't even any commercial deployments yet and all vendors don't even have products yet.

by zurn 11y ago

revelation 11y ago

You can put the savings into better bandwidth for consumers or lower cost for ISPs. With no competitive pressure for the former in the majority of the country, providers have happily pocketed the 3+ order of magnitude improvements while providing the same old 1990 speed.

amazon_not 11y ago
Some of those savings are needed in order to be able to provide 100M/1G to the consumer: - 10G in the distribution - 100G in the core So, even with competitive pressure, consumers can't expect to receive the latest and greatest for peanuts.

amazon_not 11y ago

> There's a huge number of houses with idle fiber installed 10+ years ago. Do you have a source for that? Verizon may have passed 18 million homes, but only the homes which have placed an order for Fios were ever connected. So, no or very little idle fiber. > Gigabit ethernet was introduced 17 years ago and carries 5 km over fiber. Wrong. You can buy off the shelf SFPs with 200 km reach. Use amps if you want longer reach. > Cable is just waiting for providers to switch on 10 Gbps since years ago. You don't just switch on 10 Gbps on cable. First your vendor needs to release DOCSIS 3.1 equipment and you need to test it. Then you need to upgrade your CMTS to DOCSIS 3.1 and swap out any cable modems that don't support 3.1 and dedicate spectrum to DOCSIS 3.1 downstream channels. And it's not since years ago. DOCSIS 3.1 was released a bit over two years ago. Comcast will start rolling out commercial DOCSIS 3.1 service this year. > Phone line copper has similar story... What?! G.fast can theoretically give you 1 Gbps, but only if you already have fiber to your driveway. There aren't even any commercial deployments yet and all vendors don't even have products yet.