3 ms·

Britain has a serious problem with its youth, more than any developed country in the world, including gun crime america. In america the rough spots are confined

Britain has a serious problem with its youth, more than any developed country in the world, including gun crime america. In america the rough spots are confined to certain sections of town. In other european countries youth are generally well behaved. In the uk though, many youth are just simply out of control, I wish there were a lot more cameras (and people looking at them). Droves of the middle class are simply choosing to leave the uk and settle in france,australia,spain,canada because of this.

dmoney 17y ago
What do you mean by "a serious problem with its youth"? High crime rate? Gang activity? Why do you suppose the problem exists?
- marshallp 17y ago
  Chavs. Not really gangs, not serious crime, but generally "anti-social behaviour" - disrespect to adults, picking on the weak, sitting on other people's cars. Basically, types of behaviour you do not see in any other developed country. Even in us 'ghettos' you won't see the youth harassing their neighbours. The reasons are many - -high density, more use of public transport -mixed development (rich living near the poor), -lower levels of welfare than the rest of europe, -more exposure to american television because of shared language (wannabe gangsters). -football hooliganism There's are also a rise in american style gang activity, expecially among minority youth in cities, but it's nowhere american levels yet.
  - rbanffy 17y ago
    > disrespect to adults Seriously? People see it as a problem? I see it as a normal symptom of being a teen.
aka- 17y ago
I'd love to see some hard evidence of that claim. It's a tragedy of the commons. Daily Mail readers like parent poster are convinced the country is going to the dogs. Since many of them have the power, money and/or influence to do some small thing such as set up private CCTV surveillance of public land, or deny public space to a disenfranchised group (only by ageism of course - watch for a proper fight if they try this on a race-related basis), between them they can damage our public spaces and society. The same people will write the council demanding double yellow lines outside their house, and write to the council bemoaning lack of on street parking near their favourite shop. Eventually you end where we are now - with local councils using anti-terroism laws to create mini intelligence agencies for the school admissions system. That is not a joke. Google it.
- marshallp 17y ago
  If that's the case, daily mail readers overreacting and having power, how come it hasn't happened in other countries, why aren't there daily mail type people in those countries. There's got to be some truth to a 'youth problem' otherwise asbo's wouldn't have been created.
  - philwelch 17y ago
    Maybe the problem is that Britain has more "Daily Mail readers" than other countries, and THAT is the great British problem (not antisocial youths). Actually, American "Daily Mail readers" worry more about terrorists and pedophiles (and 10-20 years ago, drugs). We've had this problem forever. This is the country that declared war on Spain and conquered their overseas empire based upon agitation from the newspapers. I can't speak for other countries, but Britain's not alone in using tabloid-generated memes and moral panics to chip away at civil liberties.
philwelch 17y ago
You know, this is a perception I've picked up about almost every post-war generation of British youth.
otakucode 17y ago
More control means more crime. Youth, even more than adults, deal very poorly with being treated like animals.
- lionhearted 17y ago
  > More control means more crime. Citation? Every study I've seen says higher numbers of police and CCTV surveillance cameras both lower crime. Unless you mean criminalizing normal behavior causes crime, in which case, yeah, I'm with you. But if we're talking street crime - vandalism, mugging, pickpocketing, robbery, assault, etc - I think it's pretty well proven that more presence/proactive action actually reduces that stuff considerably.

dmoney 17y ago

What do you mean by "a serious problem with its youth"? High crime rate? Gang activity? Why do you suppose the problem exists?

marshallp 17y ago
Chavs. Not really gangs, not serious crime, but generally "anti-social behaviour" - disrespect to adults, picking on the weak, sitting on other people's cars. Basically, types of behaviour you do not see in any other developed country. Even in us 'ghettos' you won't see the youth harassing their neighbours. The reasons are many - -high density, more use of public transport -mixed development (rich living near the poor), -lower levels of welfare than the rest of europe, -more exposure to american television because of shared language (wannabe gangsters). -football hooliganism There's are also a rise in american style gang activity, expecially among minority youth in cities, but it's nowhere american levels yet.
- rbanffy 17y ago
  > disrespect to adults Seriously? People see it as a problem? I see it as a normal symptom of being a teen.

aka- 17y ago

I'd love to see some hard evidence of that claim. It's a tragedy of the commons. Daily Mail readers like parent poster are convinced the country is going to the dogs. Since many of them have the power, money and/or influence to do some small thing such as set up private CCTV surveillance of public land, or deny public space to a disenfranchised group (only by ageism of course - watch for a proper fight if they try this on a race-related basis), between them they can damage our public spaces and society. The same people will write the council demanding double yellow lines outside their house, and write to the council bemoaning lack of on street parking near their favourite shop. Eventually you end where we are now - with local councils using anti-terroism laws to create mini intelligence agencies for the school admissions system. That is not a joke. Google it.

marshallp 17y ago
If that's the case, daily mail readers overreacting and having power, how come it hasn't happened in other countries, why aren't there daily mail type people in those countries. There's got to be some truth to a 'youth problem' otherwise asbo's wouldn't have been created.
- philwelch 17y ago
  Maybe the problem is that Britain has more "Daily Mail readers" than other countries, and THAT is the great British problem (not antisocial youths). Actually, American "Daily Mail readers" worry more about terrorists and pedophiles (and 10-20 years ago, drugs). We've had this problem forever. This is the country that declared war on Spain and conquered their overseas empire based upon agitation from the newspapers. I can't speak for other countries, but Britain's not alone in using tabloid-generated memes and moral panics to chip away at civil liberties.

philwelch 17y ago

You know, this is a perception I've picked up about almost every post-war generation of British youth.

otakucode 17y ago

More control means more crime. Youth, even more than adults, deal very poorly with being treated like animals.

lionhearted 17y ago
> More control means more crime. Citation? Every study I've seen says higher numbers of police and CCTV surveillance cameras both lower crime. Unless you mean criminalizing normal behavior causes crime, in which case, yeah, I'm with you. But if we're talking street crime - vandalism, mugging, pickpocketing, robbery, assault, etc - I think it's pretty well proven that more presence/proactive action actually reduces that stuff considerably.