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Why don't more people just ignore the gag orders? I would. I understand most people won't, but there certainly should be more than one guy who illegally reveale
by drcube 10y ago
Why don't more people just ignore the gag orders? I would. I understand most people won't, but there certainly should be more than one guy who illegally revealed his NSL in the 15 years or so since they began.
- bmelton 10y agoBecause people have things to lose, and because the justice system doesn't always work as expected. Being proverbially gagged by the federal government violates everything I believe in America, but that revulsion doesn't necessarily mean that I'm willing to do significant prison time to object to. There are people that are that brave, and their actions are indeed commendable, but many people have jobs, families, friends and social status that they'd probably like to keep intact moreso than their instinct to "stick up for what's right".
- dkdhiehe 10y agoPeople should do it en masse, all those with NSL letters violate them publically at once. Mass violent protest is slowly becoming the only method of defiance left to us.
- bmelton 10y agoHow can they do so, if nobody else knows who has an NSL because they are gagged by said NSL?
- jessaustin 10y agoIt's an interesting coordination problem. It would be possible for a reputable party to say "I have spoken with X service providers and they have agreed to publish their Y NSLs on future date Z. If you are a service provider and have received NSLs then contact me and I'll include you." The reputable party might have to be beyond the reach of USA rulers.
- TeMPOraL 10y agoI think this may not be enough. The expected behaviour of each other party would be to wait until others sign up so that if the plan succeeds, they could jump out and say they got a NSL too. Since everyone things that way, nobody signs up. I'm a bit rusty on my game theory, but I do recall there are some ways around this deadlock. One possibility would be if many companies "allowed themselves" to get hacked by a third party (out of USGOV's reach) that would conveniently find and publish the documents about NSLs (if such exist). Companies would get the benefit of plausible deniability.
- gliese1337 10y agoKickstarter (and similar) already implement the obvious way around the deadlock: get people to agree to act conditional on getting a certain minimum number to so agree. That way, the first person to make the agreement has nothing to lose if no one else signs up, so they can sign up and thus provide the momentum to get other people to.
- stopgoing2work 10y agoposting NSL letters at the same time is not the right solution, IMO. it targets a single issue in a system that is rife with corruption. they'll pull some fix like they did with NSA tapping phones, just have someone else be the bad guy (in that case having phone providers tap everything). the solution needs to be much larger scale. My proposal would be to coordinate via the Internet a giant hooky day. just stop going to our jobs. you know, those things that are the life blood of the whole shit show? have some form letter that people email in as their excuse: Hey $BOSS, In solidarity with blah blah blah I'll not be returning to my job until government pays attention to the demands of its people. Here are some (legit) sources with poll data highlighting the issues most pressing to the American public. Here's historical data about how Congress has been passing legislation that is in effect, contrary to those concerns. Until this incongruity is addressed, I'll be working with my friends, family, and neighbors directly to address the issues ourselves. Regretfully this means I won't have time to give a rats ass about my mindless role at your useless company. Signed, Employee Serial #