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Given Facebook's real-name policy, and the fact that it's literally a social network of your best friends, then since all Facebook pages are HTTPS anyway, the i

Given Facebook's real-name policy, and the fact that it's literally a social network of your best friends, then since all Facebook pages are HTTPS anyway, the idea of using it over tor is... Uh... a bizarre in theory the only thing you're leaking over a plain https is, "Hey this guy has friends." (this connection is visiting facebook). meanwhile in theory I'd expect facebook to leak everything else on their end, because come on. I have next to zero expectation of privacy on facebook. by that I mean you think people are planning terrorist plots over facebook? come on. so I find the mashup of tor with facebook to be kind of bizarre.

c22 11y ago
If you expect facebook to leak everything they know about you then connecting through tor allows them to know one less thing about you (the location you used to visit facebook).
- logicallee 11y ago
  sure, but people usually obscure their location by using a vpn, not going through the hassle of going through tor. So what I've written: >so I find the mashup of tor with facebook to be kind of bizarre. is even more so if anyone's reason is "I really, really, don't want facebook to know where I am!" I mean I just don't get it. Especially to the tune of 1 million people.
  - c22 11y ago
    What is the hassle of using tor? You have to download, configure, and run some software, just like you'd have to to connect to a vpn, but you don't have to, yanno, set up a vpn... You also don't have to rely on the integrity of a single proxy.
- putasidemobile 11y ago
  Actually you share one more, important, datum: This user uses Tor. Likely uses Tor for other, possible nefarious, purposes too. Likely has a high X_keyscore. Your real profile and location can be inferred from your browsing habbits and friend's data. Unfortunately, with the current size of Facebook, even "not having an active Facebook account" shares data, especially when you are in an age category where all your peers do have profiles. It's a negative signal to recruiters and employers ("must have something to hide...").
  - nisa 11y ago
    > It's a negative signal to recruiters and employers ("must have something to hide..."). Fuck them. Is this the line of thinking you want to align your live to? We need to work together to stop that from happening. In the end the best fake profile win's and it's a competition in hiding your sins. Medieval ages called and complained that you used them to compare to this mess. Every second/third? totally fine, everything perfect guy has some unhealthy addiction but the guy who uses Tor for playing around or ordering drugs is suspicious? It's laughable. You only get some collections of narcissists and psychopaths as employees that still do occasionally harm to your company and use drugs like everyone else. What the fuck is going on. It's 2016 and I'm feeling like 1516.
dsmithatx 11y ago
FB probably supports TOR for those who wish to use Facebook against the policy of their countries government or to gain more possible privacy from said governments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook
nisa 11y ago
There are countries where people go to jail over Facebook or Twitter comments and even just using it could be triggering some arcane investigation against you. Also Iran (likely others) did try to inject tracking JS in plain HTTP and they got the ability for a while to have valid certs so HTTPS is not really helping if you are not really paranoid with certs and hashes that is really difficult to archive. Once you got Tor running and connect to an onion you have quite a few guarantees that are hard to circumvent/spy on for a government. > by that I mean you think people are planning terrorist plots over facebook? come on. It sure has likely happened. Due to Facebook only access (internet.org) for a lot of the world using mobile and Facebook is the only access to internet that is affordable. Online shopping is also handled over Facebook in these countries. While Facebook shares your data with courts it has no way of knowing who you are if you are using Tor. At least it can't forward your location to the local secret service to beat you up. A somewhat qualified court request from a western country is also something different than arbitrary repression from dictatorships.
- logicallee 11y ago
  This is a very good comment that answers my question. Would you move up a layer: why would (why do) these countries allow any citizen to run tor without a visit from the (not so) secret police?
  - nisa 11y ago
    They don't allow it but it tries hard to look like regular SSL then there is stuff like obfsproxy that helps to hide Tor furthermore.

c22 11y ago

If you expect facebook to leak everything they know about you then connecting through tor allows them to know one less thing about you (the location you used to visit facebook).

logicallee 11y ago
sure, but people usually obscure their location by using a vpn, not going through the hassle of going through tor. So what I've written: >so I find the mashup of tor with facebook to be kind of bizarre. is even more so if anyone's reason is "I really, really, don't want facebook to know where I am!" I mean I just don't get it. Especially to the tune of 1 million people.
- c22 11y ago
  What is the hassle of using tor? You have to download, configure, and run some software, just like you'd have to to connect to a vpn, but you don't have to, yanno, set up a vpn... You also don't have to rely on the integrity of a single proxy.
putasidemobile 11y ago
Actually you share one more, important, datum: This user uses Tor. Likely uses Tor for other, possible nefarious, purposes too. Likely has a high X_keyscore. Your real profile and location can be inferred from your browsing habbits and friend's data. Unfortunately, with the current size of Facebook, even "not having an active Facebook account" shares data, especially when you are in an age category where all your peers do have profiles. It's a negative signal to recruiters and employers ("must have something to hide...").
- nisa 11y ago
  > It's a negative signal to recruiters and employers ("must have something to hide..."). Fuck them. Is this the line of thinking you want to align your live to? We need to work together to stop that from happening. In the end the best fake profile win's and it's a competition in hiding your sins. Medieval ages called and complained that you used them to compare to this mess. Every second/third? totally fine, everything perfect guy has some unhealthy addiction but the guy who uses Tor for playing around or ordering drugs is suspicious? It's laughable. You only get some collections of narcissists and psychopaths as employees that still do occasionally harm to your company and use drugs like everyone else. What the fuck is going on. It's 2016 and I'm feeling like 1516.

dsmithatx 11y ago

FB probably supports TOR for those who wish to use Facebook against the policy of their countries government or to gain more possible privacy from said governments. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_of_Facebook

nisa 11y ago

There are countries where people go to jail over Facebook or Twitter comments and even just using it could be triggering some arcane investigation against you. Also Iran (likely others) did try to inject tracking JS in plain HTTP and they got the ability for a while to have valid certs so HTTPS is not really helping if you are not really paranoid with certs and hashes that is really difficult to archive. Once you got Tor running and connect to an onion you have quite a few guarantees that are hard to circumvent/spy on for a government. > by that I mean you think people are planning terrorist plots over facebook? come on. It sure has likely happened. Due to Facebook only access (internet.org) for a lot of the world using mobile and Facebook is the only access to internet that is affordable. Online shopping is also handled over Facebook in these countries. While Facebook shares your data with courts it has no way of knowing who you are if you are using Tor. At least it can't forward your location to the local secret service to beat you up. A somewhat qualified court request from a western country is also something different than arbitrary repression from dictatorships.

logicallee 11y ago
This is a very good comment that answers my question. Would you move up a layer: why would (why do) these countries allow any citizen to run tor without a visit from the (not so) secret police?
- nisa 11y ago
  They don't allow it but it tries hard to look like regular SSL then there is stuff like obfsproxy that helps to hide Tor furthermore.