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I find this anger against death weird. We are alive because we are not death. Death is part of our lives and we should accept it without the drama, just like P

by fasteo 11y ago

I find this anger against death weird. We are alive because we are not death. Death is part of our lives and we should accept it without the drama, just like Peter is doing.

PieterH 11y ago
It's not sincere anger. It's trolls who are trying to find ways to annoy and provoke people. There is no point in arguing with them logically, they'll just continue in a different direction.
- fasteo 11y ago
  >>> There is no point in arguing with them logically Viewing his reply confirms this. Once again, you are right. Godspeed Pieter.
- Neslit 11y ago
  I don't know if you were including me, but either way I'm sorry and I'll stop now (just saw this). For the record: I sincerely am not trying to annoy or provoke anyone; I've been concerned about derailing the thread, but a discussion of other emotions around death didn't seem too inappropriate. I sincerely think death is painful and difficult to think about, but that it is worth thinking about sanely, and that death is obviously a bad thing in this world. I am sincerely angry when conscious human minds are prevented by Death from exploring, creating, and loving as much as they want.
anonymous779 11y ago
> I find this anger against death weird. Of course you do, because accepting death is a huge part of our culture, a part we developed to make coping easier. It's hard to think differently from how you have been taught to. >Death is part of our lives and we should accept it without the drama Who says that and for what purpose (who benefits from status quo) ? Note that death isn't even a law of physics, it's just a consequence of our biological structure and our genetic makeup. Many organisms live much shorter lives than humans, but some live 3-10x longer than us (For example Arctica Islandica clamshell lives >400 years, Bowhead Whales and Koi fish live ~200 years, Pinus longaeva trees live up to 5000 years). These are scientific facts. Then, there are genetic engineering experiments [1] that produce C. Elegans nematodes that live 5x longer lives than wild ones. There are less dramatic but positive results for mice. Humans aren't special, it means that some future variants of these techniques could be applied to humans either to produce longer-living individuals or to increase lifespan of existing ones. If you still think that someone's life is not worth extending you are simply being amoral. Please decide such important matters only for yourself and not for others. I'm sure there are more than enough humans that would prefer to extend their lives. 1. Germline signaling mediates the synergistically prolonged longevity produced by double mutations in daf-2 and rsks-1 in C. elegans. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24332851 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24332851
- fasteo 11y ago
  Sorry, can't compute this. And I mean it.
  - anonymous779 11y ago
    Hope you enjoy your ride till the end, and when being confronted with this very end you won't suddenly change your mind.
    - fasteo 11y ago
      I have been diagnosed with a genetic incurable disease 8-10 years ago. Plenty of time to think about these issues. I am ready to die. Do not fear death so much but rather the inadequate life

by fasteo 11y ago

I find this anger against death weird. We are alive because we are not death. Death is part of our lives and we should accept it without the drama, just like Peter is doing.

PieterH 11y ago

It's not sincere anger. It's trolls who are trying to find ways to annoy and provoke people. There is no point in arguing with them logically, they'll just continue in a different direction.

fasteo 11y ago
>>> There is no point in arguing with them logically Viewing his reply confirms this. Once again, you are right. Godspeed Pieter.
Neslit 11y ago
I don't know if you were including me, but either way I'm sorry and I'll stop now (just saw this). For the record: I sincerely am not trying to annoy or provoke anyone; I've been concerned about derailing the thread, but a discussion of other emotions around death didn't seem too inappropriate. I sincerely think death is painful and difficult to think about, but that it is worth thinking about sanely, and that death is obviously a bad thing in this world. I am sincerely angry when conscious human minds are prevented by Death from exploring, creating, and loving as much as they want.

anonymous779 11y ago

> I find this anger against death weird. Of course you do, because accepting death is a huge part of our culture, a part we developed to make coping easier. It's hard to think differently from how you have been taught to. >Death is part of our lives and we should accept it without the drama Who says that and for what purpose (who benefits from status quo) ? Note that death isn't even a law of physics, it's just a consequence of our biological structure and our genetic makeup. Many organisms live much shorter lives than humans, but some live 3-10x longer than us (For example Arctica Islandica clamshell lives >400 years, Bowhead Whales and Koi fish live ~200 years, Pinus longaeva trees live up to 5000 years). These are scientific facts. Then, there are genetic engineering experiments [1] that produce C. Elegans nematodes that live 5x longer lives than wild ones. There are less dramatic but positive results for mice. Humans aren't special, it means that some future variants of these techniques could be applied to humans either to produce longer-living individuals or to increase lifespan of existing ones. If you still think that someone's life is not worth extending you are simply being amoral. Please decide such important matters only for yourself and not for others. I'm sure there are more than enough humans that would prefer to extend their lives. 1. Germline signaling mediates the synergistically prolonged longevity produced by double mutations in daf-2 and rsks-1 in C. elegans. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24332851 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24332851

fasteo 11y ago
Sorry, can't compute this. And I mean it.
- anonymous779 11y ago
  Hope you enjoy your ride till the end, and when being confronted with this very end you won't suddenly change your mind.
  - fasteo 11y ago
    I have been diagnosed with a genetic incurable disease 8-10 years ago. Plenty of time to think about these issues. I am ready to die. Do not fear death so much but rather the inadequate life