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The community is the worst. The adds whole jQuery comes from every single js topic on SO in the past five+ years being answered by "just use jquery". Many times

by rplnt 11y ago

The community is the worst. The adds whole jQuery comes from every single js topic on SO in the past five+ years being answered by "just use jquery". Many times they are not even web related at all. > "How do you do something in javascript?" > "With jQuery you do it like this..." I had the worst time ever when I had to work with jscript. I really wonder if my dislike of the language comes from the language itself or the community around it.

boredpudding 11y ago
A long time the web was like this: In IE6, you do it like this. In IE8, you do it like this. In Firefox, you do it like this. Then jQuery came along. And it was like 'Now you do it like this, and jQuery handles it for all browsers perfectly'. Just because some tasks are now performed easily in native javascript on all browsers, doesn't mean it was always that way.
- rplnt 11y ago
  There are lots of legitimate reasons to not use jQuery. Not being in a browser might be one of them. So if someone asks about javascript, one should answer the question (and perhaps suggest that there are libraries such as jquery that handle it better).
megalodon 11y ago
SO feels more like a race to answer fast rather than to answer with quality. I think the best way to learn about the language is through the Mozilla Developer Network. I can't speak for everyone but I feel incredibly productive when programming in javascript. I'd argue that jQuery was great, but now most (if not all) of it can be replaced by native javascript features (e.g. document.querySelector). Today I wouldn't recommend jQuery to anyone. I suggest learning a functional language (in my case it was Haskell) in parallel, as it opens up new ways of thinking about javascript and problem solving.
CaptSpify 11y ago
correct! reminds me of: http://i.stack.imgur.com/ssRUr.gif http://i.stack.imgur.com/ssRUr.gif I think SO has gotten a little better about this, but not much, IME
Grishnakh 11y ago
Sorry for the political tangent, but this reminds me of how much I dislike Hillary: I really wonder how much of it comes not from my dislike of her, but rather of her snide, obnoxious, condescending supporters. I hate them so much I'd almost rather vote for Cruz even though rationally I know he'd be much worse from my perspective. But I feel I'd rather have Trump or Cruz or any Republican really, just to spite the Hillary supporters. So yeah, I think the community that arises around something or someone can really affect your perception of that thing or person, and make you lose your objectivity.

by rplnt 11y ago

boredpudding 11y ago

A long time the web was like this: In IE6, you do it like this. In IE8, you do it like this. In Firefox, you do it like this. Then jQuery came along. And it was like 'Now you do it like this, and jQuery handles it for all browsers perfectly'. Just because some tasks are now performed easily in native javascript on all browsers, doesn't mean it was always that way.

rplnt 11y ago
There are lots of legitimate reasons to not use jQuery. Not being in a browser might be one of them. So if someone asks about javascript, one should answer the question (and perhaps suggest that there are libraries such as jquery that handle it better).

megalodon 11y ago

SO feels more like a race to answer fast rather than to answer with quality. I think the best way to learn about the language is through the Mozilla Developer Network. I can't speak for everyone but I feel incredibly productive when programming in javascript. I'd argue that jQuery was great, but now most (if not all) of it can be replaced by native javascript features (e.g. document.querySelector). Today I wouldn't recommend jQuery to anyone. I suggest learning a functional language (in my case it was Haskell) in parallel, as it opens up new ways of thinking about javascript and problem solving.

CaptSpify 11y ago

correct! reminds me of: http://i.stack.imgur.com/ssRUr.gif http://i.stack.imgur.com/ssRUr.gif I think SO has gotten a little better about this, but not much, IME

Grishnakh 11y ago

Sorry for the political tangent, but this reminds me of how much I dislike Hillary: I really wonder how much of it comes not from my dislike of her, but rather of her snide, obnoxious, condescending supporters. I hate them so much I'd almost rather vote for Cruz even though rationally I know he'd be much worse from my perspective. But I feel I'd rather have Trump or Cruz or any Republican really, just to spite the Hillary supporters. So yeah, I think the community that arises around something or someone can really affect your perception of that thing or person, and make you lose your objectivity.