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It always seems to me, Apple loves dodging the established choice. Firewire, Thunderbolt, I swear the list is long but I can't remember everything right now.

techenthusiast 11y ago
DCI-P3 actually is the relevant film industry standard here. No consumer displays can do Rec.2020 gamut yet, so P3 is a nice halfway step that is comparable to sRGB, unlike Adobe RGB. And it's "future-proof," because both can use the SMPTE ST-2084 EOTF. Both the P3 and Rec.2020 gamuts are part of the UHD specification.
wtallis 11y ago
Firewire and Thunderbolt both introduced important capabilities that no established choice could even come close to. Apple doesn't wait around for the beige box vendors to come to a consensus on technological advances.
- sliverstorm 11y ago
  You're upset about questions of merit. I'm just saying it hardly surprises me.
  - coldtea 11y ago
    Parent answered with just the facts. You deduce they're upset from nothing at all. >I'm just saying it hardly surprises me. Which doesn't convey any information -- except your non-surprised status. It doesn't surprise you because it's something that had to be done, it doesn't surprise you because Apple tends to innovate in those areas, it doesn't surprise you because Apple wants to lock people in, it doesn't surprise you because Apple doesn't play well with other's standards, etc, we don't know which.
xenadu02 11y ago
When Steve Jobs came back to Apple he did a Q&A session at WWDC. Someone asked him why Apple was moving away from unique (proprietary standards) and Steve said it was pointless to do your own interfaces/standards if the existing ones were good enough and that Apple would only do its own thing when no existing solution would work. Apple created lightning before USB-C existed. In fact I'd wager USB-C wouldn't exist if Apple hadn't created lightning (it costs money to introduce a new standard after all, and the USB-IF is made up mostly of cheap-ass PC makers who will do anything to save a penny... also why USB-C isn't a solid lug like Lightning). Apple created Firewire 400 when USB was stuck at 12. Thunderbolt wasn't Apple's creation, it was Intel's extension of the PCI bus to an external interface. Intel is the one who pushed it as the next great thing and promised to roll it out, then pushed onerous licensing terms and took their sweet time rolling it out to all their chipsets. Even FaceTime couldn't be open-sourced due to patent trolls winning a lawsuit against Apple over the peer-to-peer protocol it used, resulting in Apple having to redesign it to use a server-based scheme (in other words the reason we don't have cross-OS, cross-device video calling right now is due to patent trolls. Think about that for a minute). Why hasn't Apple updated the Thunderbolt Display for Retina? Because the DisplayPort spec can't handle the resolution and hasn't been updated for it yet (at least that was the cast last time I looked). I'll also note Apple contributed the mini-DisplayPort spec back which is why anyone can use it now.
- jkestner 11y ago
  Good list. In fact I'd wager USB-C wouldn't exist if Apple hadn't created lightning There are rumors that Apple led the design effort for USB-C. http://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/03/14/apple-usbc http://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/03/14/apple-usbc
  - techenthusiast 11y ago
    I discovered through relevant contacts that that's not actually true.
sjwright 11y ago
You are probably misremembering because Apple frequently dives into new standards early. Mini- and micro-SIM cards come to mind. (I assume you wouldn't include Windows, or the choices made by Microsoft for Windows as being an "established" choice.) The only substantial "dodged established choice" I can think of recently is the lightning connector over micro-USB. But that's fair enough, as micro-USB is a hateful connector. Paying a few dollars more per cable is relatively inconsequential.

techenthusiast 11y ago

DCI-P3 actually is the relevant film industry standard here. No consumer displays can do Rec.2020 gamut yet, so P3 is a nice halfway step that is comparable to sRGB, unlike Adobe RGB. And it's "future-proof," because both can use the SMPTE ST-2084 EOTF. Both the P3 and Rec.2020 gamuts are part of the UHD specification.

wtallis 11y ago

Firewire and Thunderbolt both introduced important capabilities that no established choice could even come close to. Apple doesn't wait around for the beige box vendors to come to a consensus on technological advances.

sliverstorm 11y ago
You're upset about questions of merit. I'm just saying it hardly surprises me.
- coldtea 11y ago
  Parent answered with just the facts. You deduce they're upset from nothing at all. >I'm just saying it hardly surprises me. Which doesn't convey any information -- except your non-surprised status. It doesn't surprise you because it's something that had to be done, it doesn't surprise you because Apple tends to innovate in those areas, it doesn't surprise you because Apple wants to lock people in, it doesn't surprise you because Apple doesn't play well with other's standards, etc, we don't know which.

xenadu02 11y ago

When Steve Jobs came back to Apple he did a Q&A session at WWDC. Someone asked him why Apple was moving away from unique (proprietary standards) and Steve said it was pointless to do your own interfaces/standards if the existing ones were good enough and that Apple would only do its own thing when no existing solution would work. Apple created lightning before USB-C existed. In fact I'd wager USB-C wouldn't exist if Apple hadn't created lightning (it costs money to introduce a new standard after all, and the USB-IF is made up mostly of cheap-ass PC makers who will do anything to save a penny... also why USB-C isn't a solid lug like Lightning). Apple created Firewire 400 when USB was stuck at 12. Thunderbolt wasn't Apple's creation, it was Intel's extension of the PCI bus to an external interface. Intel is the one who pushed it as the next great thing and promised to roll it out, then pushed onerous licensing terms and took their sweet time rolling it out to all their chipsets. Even FaceTime couldn't be open-sourced due to patent trolls winning a lawsuit against Apple over the peer-to-peer protocol it used, resulting in Apple having to redesign it to use a server-based scheme (in other words the reason we don't have cross-OS, cross-device video calling right now is due to patent trolls. Think about that for a minute). Why hasn't Apple updated the Thunderbolt Display for Retina? Because the DisplayPort spec can't handle the resolution and hasn't been updated for it yet (at least that was the cast last time I looked). I'll also note Apple contributed the mini-DisplayPort spec back which is why anyone can use it now.

jkestner 11y ago
Good list. In fact I'd wager USB-C wouldn't exist if Apple hadn't created lightning There are rumors that Apple led the design effort for USB-C. http://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/03/14/apple-usbc http://daringfireball.net/linked/2015/03/14/apple-usbc
- techenthusiast 11y ago
  I discovered through relevant contacts that that's not actually true.

sjwright 11y ago

You are probably misremembering because Apple frequently dives into new standards early. Mini- and micro-SIM cards come to mind. (I assume you wouldn't include Windows, or the choices made by Microsoft for Windows as being an "established" choice.) The only substantial "dodged established choice" I can think of recently is the lightning connector over micro-USB. But that's fair enough, as micro-USB is a hateful connector. Paying a few dollars more per cable is relatively inconsequential.