4 ms·

>>You shouldn't need to particularly reward businesses for not breaking the law, surely. You should be able to punish those that break the law sufficiently hars

by tmptmp 10y ago

>>You shouldn't need to particularly reward businesses for not breaking the law, surely. You should be able to punish those that break the law sufficiently harshly that breaking the law is not profitable. This point is very important. But why do we see people tempting to reward businesses which do not break law? Because, we seldom see the ones breaking the law getting punished severely. What happened to Volkswagen? The CEO didn't even get the proverbial slap on the wrist, instead he got fucking multi-million dollars in reward! Was Volkswagen forced out of business? Hell no. What happened to Goldman Sachs and other such criminals? Nothing serious. Uber is getting free ride by breaking laws. What happened to it? Nothing. So, people tend to think that way. Beyond that this is a very serious threat to free and open market economy and even the western democracies. As this is used by the covert and overt opponents and enemies of western free market economy based democracy to push forward their communist (or other equally bad ism) propaganda. It reminds me all that 99% vs 1% propaganda. And unless, this is fixed, I guess, many general people in the western world will continue to fall prey to their vicious propaganda.

licebmi_at 10y ago
How is it propaganda if all that you said it's true? With all your fear mongering ideas of communism, you can't blame them for capitalism own weakness. Karl Marx[1] predicted this and that's why he postulated that capitalism would prey on itself. Everyone who tried to warn about this weakness and every call to fix this (just like your comment) was dismissed as communist and enemy of the western world. Communist might be a bad idea, but not everything should be treated "vicious propaganda". [1]: Born in Prussia, part of the Western world AFAIK.
- tmptmp 10y ago
  >>How is it propaganda if all that you said it's true? That's a good question as it raises a very important point, namely, the weakness of capitalism. But what I think is this weakness of capitalism can and must be tackled from within the capitalism. Sadly, at this moment, at least in the US we are not seeing any serious efforts being done in this direction. >>With all your fear mongering ideas of communism... Time and again, communism and Marxism have demonstrated how vicious these ideas are: e.g. the mass killings and suffering of people in China, Russia. See these [1], [2]. The fear is not baseless, whereas the "free market economy based democracy" has been seen to be the best societal structure ever existed. I don't mean it can't be made better but that improvement can certainly not be brought by turning to Marxism [3]. >>but not everything should be treated "vicious propaganda" I agree with you to some extent here as not everything should be treated "vicious propaganda". (That's why I upvoted it.) But it can be seen clearly that communists and Marxists are trying to take advantage of such things by creating "propaganda" items like 99% vs 1%; and trying to sway the public opinion in their favor. This is vicious because they are trying to portrait everyone within the top 1% to be vicious while demanding "free rides" (in the Marxist style) for everyone within the 99%, whereas we can see that only some people at the extreme top are doing somethings wrong. And thus with such propaganda these people are trying to kill the very "free market economy based democracy" itself. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critique_of_Marxism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critique_of_Marxism
swagv 10y ago
It is sad when we have to celebrate basic ethical practices.

by tmptmp 10y ago

licebmi_at 10y ago

How is it propaganda if all that you said it's true? With all your fear mongering ideas of communism, you can't blame them for capitalism own weakness. Karl Marx[1] predicted this and that's why he postulated that capitalism would prey on itself. Everyone who tried to warn about this weakness and every call to fix this (just like your comment) was dismissed as communist and enemy of the western world. Communist might be a bad idea, but not everything should be treated "vicious propaganda". [1]: Born in Prussia, part of the Western world AFAIK.

tmptmp 10y ago
>>How is it propaganda if all that you said it's true? That's a good question as it raises a very important point, namely, the weakness of capitalism. But what I think is this weakness of capitalism can and must be tackled from within the capitalism. Sadly, at this moment, at least in the US we are not seeing any serious efforts being done in this direction. >>With all your fear mongering ideas of communism... Time and again, communism and Marxism have demonstrated how vicious these ideas are: e.g. the mass killings and suffering of people in China, Russia. See these [1], [2]. The fear is not baseless, whereas the "free market economy based democracy" has been seen to be the best societal structure ever existed. I don't mean it can't be made better but that improvement can certainly not be brought by turning to Marxism [3]. >>but not everything should be treated "vicious propaganda" I agree with you to some extent here as not everything should be treated "vicious propaganda". (That's why I upvoted it.) But it can be seen clearly that communists and Marxists are trying to take advantage of such things by creating "propaganda" items like 99% vs 1%; and trying to sway the public opinion in their favor. This is vicious because they are trying to portrait everyone within the top 1% to be vicious while demanding "free rides" (in the Marxist style) for everyone within the 99%, whereas we can see that only some people at the extreme top are doing somethings wrong. And thus with such propaganda these people are trying to kill the very "free market economy based democracy" itself. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critique_of_Marxism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critique_of_Marxism

swagv 10y ago

It is sad when we have to celebrate basic ethical practices.