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Indeed. Won't be buying British at all from now on. In fact, I'm putting UK on my blacklist of places to go, and places to buy from/invest in. Sorry Brits.

Indeed. Won't be buying British at all from now on. In fact, I'm putting UK on my blacklist of places to go, and places to buy from/invest in. Sorry Brits. You are letting your state fall into absolutel disaster. I'm putting you in the same bag as North Korea, now - your state cannot be trusted one bit.

stuaxo 11y ago
I'm curious where you are based, as someone in the UK, I'm not keen on going to the US because of the crazy border controls amongst other things.
- fit2rule 11y ago
  I am in middle Europe, in the sort of country where the lessons of these sorts of shenanigans are not, generally, over-ignored by the general populace at large, and the citizenry indeed feels genuinely responsible for not letting these apparat re-emerge as a means of social control. Alas there are generations and generations of Westerners - after all, we are stateless here in the HN frame - who are, moreover, completely willing to overlook the crimes of their state and just let it all happen, "for whatever reason". This is why I, also, choose not to ever live in the US. (It is the only reason: that I chose not to.) Members of states currently erecting apparatus of human social control, with explicit intent to violate human rights of any individual, no matter their non-/statehood, need to do one thing to change it all: move. Keep moving. Abandon your culture, and acclimate to a new one. Repeat, ad inf.
  - switch007 11y ago
    300,000+ people a year emigrate from Britain. What number is required to "change it all"? Have you experienced a revolution of any kind? Studied revolutions in detail perhaps? I haven't, but I do live in the UK. Perhaps you believe if we just voted for the other party, everything will change? It's so much bigger than that.
    - fit2rule 11y ago
      Yes, well, its a start ..
chris_wot 11y ago
That might be going a bit far. I was more saying that if firms have to go through all that red tape then there is just no way that they will be able to compete against countries that have technology bases that don't have this level of red tape. You'll not be buying tech invented in the UK because there won't be much if any new tech developed in the UK!
- fit2rule 11y ago
  There won't be any reason for UK tech companies to do anything, because nobody is going to be buying that tech if it means its usage will be usurped by the UK government for their own means. This assumed power - indeed, entirely imperial - of possession over items of trade means that you won't, actually, ever be able to buy something "from the UK". You'll be actually leasing it "From the Uk Gov't". That is rather a huge show-stopper, for rather a lot of industry. Ownership matters.
  - chris_wot 11y ago
    Um, they are just going to have to disclose their technology before it is released, not give up ownership.
    - fit2rule 11y ago
      The purpose of disclosing technology before release is so that the UK Gov't can plan and assess attack/intrusion measures before it becomes a mainstream/wide-spread product. Don't be so naive to think this is just an 'administrative procedure'. This is the UK Gov't - and its Customers - putting in the procedure for subverting any technology it wants.
      - chris_wot 11y ago
        Yeah, that's not good. However, what's to stop the UK government from doing this after the product is released? But yes, that sounds like one of the reasons they want the legislation. However, I think a stronger motivation is that they want to force the company to weaken their security and/or add a backdoor for government enforcement. So yeah, I wouldn't be buying any product from the UK that has anything to do with security.
suvelx 11y ago
So what about them ARM cpus then?

stuaxo 11y ago

I'm curious where you are based, as someone in the UK, I'm not keen on going to the US because of the crazy border controls amongst other things.

fit2rule 11y ago
I am in middle Europe, in the sort of country where the lessons of these sorts of shenanigans are not, generally, over-ignored by the general populace at large, and the citizenry indeed feels genuinely responsible for not letting these apparat re-emerge as a means of social control. Alas there are generations and generations of Westerners - after all, we are stateless here in the HN frame - who are, moreover, completely willing to overlook the crimes of their state and just let it all happen, "for whatever reason". This is why I, also, choose not to ever live in the US. (It is the only reason: that I chose not to.) Members of states currently erecting apparatus of human social control, with explicit intent to violate human rights of any individual, no matter their non-/statehood, need to do one thing to change it all: move. Keep moving. Abandon your culture, and acclimate to a new one. Repeat, ad inf.
- switch007 11y ago
  300,000+ people a year emigrate from Britain. What number is required to "change it all"? Have you experienced a revolution of any kind? Studied revolutions in detail perhaps? I haven't, but I do live in the UK. Perhaps you believe if we just voted for the other party, everything will change? It's so much bigger than that.
  - fit2rule 11y ago
    Yes, well, its a start ..

chris_wot 11y ago

That might be going a bit far. I was more saying that if firms have to go through all that red tape then there is just no way that they will be able to compete against countries that have technology bases that don't have this level of red tape. You'll not be buying tech invented in the UK because there won't be much if any new tech developed in the UK!

fit2rule 11y ago
There won't be any reason for UK tech companies to do anything, because nobody is going to be buying that tech if it means its usage will be usurped by the UK government for their own means. This assumed power - indeed, entirely imperial - of possession over items of trade means that you won't, actually, ever be able to buy something "from the UK". You'll be actually leasing it "From the Uk Gov't". That is rather a huge show-stopper, for rather a lot of industry. Ownership matters.
- chris_wot 11y ago
  Um, they are just going to have to disclose their technology before it is released, not give up ownership.
  - fit2rule 11y ago
    The purpose of disclosing technology before release is so that the UK Gov't can plan and assess attack/intrusion measures before it becomes a mainstream/wide-spread product. Don't be so naive to think this is just an 'administrative procedure'. This is the UK Gov't - and its Customers - putting in the procedure for subverting any technology it wants.
    - chris_wot 11y ago
      Yeah, that's not good. However, what's to stop the UK government from doing this after the product is released? But yes, that sounds like one of the reasons they want the legislation. However, I think a stronger motivation is that they want to force the company to weaken their security and/or add a backdoor for government enforcement. So yeah, I wouldn't be buying any product from the UK that has anything to do with security.

suvelx 11y ago

So what about them ARM cpus then?