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Damned if you do, damned if you don't...

sgift 10y ago
That were my thoughts too .. if they had ignored her "You see, nerds ignore women and make them feel unwelcome", now "see, they are creeps, that makes woman feel unwelcome" - and if you ask "what is your solution?" "They should behave normal." which is the most useless answer ever. If I ask ten people about normal behaviour in a given situation I get ten answers and if I drill a bit further more like 40 answers, almost all probably starting with something like "Well, in this context .." or "If you frame it this way .." One could almost think that human behaviour is complex, but only almost .. everything is black and white, go on, nothing to see here. /s
- icebraining 10y ago
  On the other hand, just because the solution is unclear, doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.
  - sgift 10y ago
    Certainly, but almost everything can be redefined as a problem, because almost everything can be a problem. In a given context. For a problem you need a problem definition or things get very murky, very fast and you end in "just do the normal thing" territory, which is what I wanted to highlight with my comment above.
- onion2k 10y ago
  Human behaviour is complex, but that doesn't mean there aren't some basic universal truths that will always help. Things like "Don't treat every attractive person you meet as a potential sexual partner. Use behaviour appropriate to the context you're meeting them in. An engineering class is not a social gathering."
  - sgift 10y ago
    > Human behaviour is complex, but that doesn't mean there aren't some basic universal truths that will always help I thought that too once, then I learned that not everyone thinks people should have access to adequate food, shelter and medical care. I've since stopped from assuming anything when dealing with humans. People never cease to amaze me in their sheer capacity to be abyssimal to each other. (Warning, potential topic derailment lies ahead ..)
exclusiv 10y ago
Exactly. I'd love to see an experiment where they put one female in a class of men of various backgrounds and aspirations. Perhaps: liberal arts class, Ag class, business class, etc. and see what happens. I'd be willing to bet that the engineering class would be the most respectful.

sgift 10y ago

That were my thoughts too .. if they had ignored her "You see, nerds ignore women and make them feel unwelcome", now "see, they are creeps, that makes woman feel unwelcome" - and if you ask "what is your solution?" "They should behave normal." which is the most useless answer ever. If I ask ten people about normal behaviour in a given situation I get ten answers and if I drill a bit further more like 40 answers, almost all probably starting with something like "Well, in this context .." or "If you frame it this way .." One could almost think that human behaviour is complex, but only almost .. everything is black and white, go on, nothing to see here. /s

icebraining 10y ago
On the other hand, just because the solution is unclear, doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.
- sgift 10y ago
  Certainly, but almost everything can be redefined as a problem, because almost everything can be a problem. In a given context. For a problem you need a problem definition or things get very murky, very fast and you end in "just do the normal thing" territory, which is what I wanted to highlight with my comment above.
onion2k 10y ago
Human behaviour is complex, but that doesn't mean there aren't some basic universal truths that will always help. Things like "Don't treat every attractive person you meet as a potential sexual partner. Use behaviour appropriate to the context you're meeting them in. An engineering class is not a social gathering."
- sgift 10y ago
  > Human behaviour is complex, but that doesn't mean there aren't some basic universal truths that will always help I thought that too once, then I learned that not everyone thinks people should have access to adequate food, shelter and medical care. I've since stopped from assuming anything when dealing with humans. People never cease to amaze me in their sheer capacity to be abyssimal to each other. (Warning, potential topic derailment lies ahead ..)

exclusiv 10y ago

Exactly. I'd love to see an experiment where they put one female in a class of men of various backgrounds and aspirations. Perhaps: liberal arts class, Ag class, business class, etc. and see what happens. I'd be willing to bet that the engineering class would be the most respectful.