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Clementine: all the good bits from Amarok before it began to degenerate. I love it just for the indexed metadata searching of my local library... I know no oth

by liotier 11y ago

Clementine: all the good bits from Amarok before it began to degenerate. I love it just for the indexed metadata searching of my local library... I know no other player that lets me search a big heap of files that fast. While listening to music, it usually give me ideas about further music I want to listen to... The playlist in right pane and search-instant filtered library in the left one is exactly the interface that suits that. Also, the context panes with lyrics and band's Wikipedia page automatically loaded during play are nice.

yoodenvranx 11y ago
> I know no other player that lets me search a big heap of files that fast. foobar2000?
- brulard 11y ago
  foobar is only for windows..
  - yoodenvranx 11y ago
    It runs perfectly fine in wine, I am doing this for years.
    - throwanem 11y ago
      I've done the same, on OS X yet, and had no trouble. Unfortunately, fb2k ended up being unsuitable for my purposes for other reasons - namely, that it can't handle self-signed TLS certificates, and probably never will be able to because the developer doesn't care about that use case. I still use it at home, but for remote streaming I've found Subsonic to be an amazingly effective solution, not least thanks to the excellent iSub app.
      - cptskippy 11y ago
        Supporting self-signed certs is typically done by ignoring cert chain and trust issues which is a major component of TLS. A better option is for you to explicitly trust the authority that signed the cert.
        throwanem 11y ago
        Well, yes, I'm not completely ignorant of how TLS works, so that was of course my first thought on discovering fb2k lacked any interface by which I could tell it to trust my server cert. That's why, in the process of investigating the issue, I added the root CA cert I'd created, and used to sign the server cert, to the Windows certificate store. That was enough to stop applications using the Windows TLS stack, such as Internet Explorer, from complaining any longer about being unable to verify the certificate. It didn't change anything about fb2k's behavior, though, which led me to surmise that fb2k was doing something wonky in its TLS implementation. On the other hand, there's a forum thread from late last year [1] in which the fb2k developer appears to have addressed the issue at least in part, by making it possible to whitelist hosts and thus bypass certificate validity checking. That's...hardly ideal, but it would probably have solved my problem, if it existed four years ago when I last tried to get this working. The same thread includes more information on the same kind of problem I was having; from it I can surmise that if I'd created an empty CRL and had my root CA cert point to it, I probably would've been able to get it working. Would've been nice to know that four years ago, too. But it looks like I'd have needed to hook the process with a debugger and monitor system calls to find out about it, and I wanted to listen to music more than I wanted to use unfamiliar tools to debug unfamiliar API calls made by an opaque binary blob. In any case, if I'd gotten fb2k working four years ago, I probably wouldn't have been motivated to keep hunting for a solution until I found Subsonic, which serves my remote-streaming purposes better than fb2k ever will. So however frustrating it was at the time, it's been all to the good in the long run. [1] https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,110065.0.html https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,110065.0.html
  - touristtam 11y ago
    try deadbeef ?
darkclarity 11y ago
Exactly. Amarok was one of the few pieces of software I looked at and thought, from a feature perspective... that's perfect. Was so glad Clementine appeared on the scene and rescued the player from its well intentioned fall from grace.
skrause 11y ago
You just don't want to use Clementine on a laptop if you value your battery life. I tried to use Clementine for a while, but on my MacBook it was using 20-30% CPU just for playing a simple MP3, where iTunes could manage with 2%.

by liotier 11y ago

yoodenvranx 11y ago

> I know no other player that lets me search a big heap of files that fast. foobar2000?

brulard 11y ago
foobar is only for windows..
- yoodenvranx 11y ago
  It runs perfectly fine in wine, I am doing this for years.
  - throwanem 11y ago
    I've done the same, on OS X yet, and had no trouble. Unfortunately, fb2k ended up being unsuitable for my purposes for other reasons - namely, that it can't handle self-signed TLS certificates, and probably never will be able to because the developer doesn't care about that use case. I still use it at home, but for remote streaming I've found Subsonic to be an amazingly effective solution, not least thanks to the excellent iSub app.
    - cptskippy 11y ago
      Supporting self-signed certs is typically done by ignoring cert chain and trust issues which is a major component of TLS. A better option is for you to explicitly trust the authority that signed the cert.
      - throwanem 11y ago
        Well, yes, I'm not completely ignorant of how TLS works, so that was of course my first thought on discovering fb2k lacked any interface by which I could tell it to trust my server cert. That's why, in the process of investigating the issue, I added the root CA cert I'd created, and used to sign the server cert, to the Windows certificate store. That was enough to stop applications using the Windows TLS stack, such as Internet Explorer, from complaining any longer about being unable to verify the certificate. It didn't change anything about fb2k's behavior, though, which led me to surmise that fb2k was doing something wonky in its TLS implementation. On the other hand, there's a forum thread from late last year [1] in which the fb2k developer appears to have addressed the issue at least in part, by making it possible to whitelist hosts and thus bypass certificate validity checking. That's...hardly ideal, but it would probably have solved my problem, if it existed four years ago when I last tried to get this working. The same thread includes more information on the same kind of problem I was having; from it I can surmise that if I'd created an empty CRL and had my root CA cert point to it, I probably would've been able to get it working. Would've been nice to know that four years ago, too. But it looks like I'd have needed to hook the process with a debugger and monitor system calls to find out about it, and I wanted to listen to music more than I wanted to use unfamiliar tools to debug unfamiliar API calls made by an opaque binary blob. In any case, if I'd gotten fb2k working four years ago, I probably wouldn't have been motivated to keep hunting for a solution until I found Subsonic, which serves my remote-streaming purposes better than fb2k ever will. So however frustrating it was at the time, it's been all to the good in the long run. [1] https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,110065.0.html https://hydrogenaud.io/index.php/topic,110065.0.html
- touristtam 11y ago
  try deadbeef ?

darkclarity 11y ago

Exactly. Amarok was one of the few pieces of software I looked at and thought, from a feature perspective... that's perfect. Was so glad Clementine appeared on the scene and rescued the player from its well intentioned fall from grace.

skrause 11y ago

You just don't want to use Clementine on a laptop if you value your battery life. I tried to use Clementine for a while, but on my MacBook it was using 20-30% CPU just for playing a simple MP3, where iTunes could manage with 2%.