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What is often missed in these statistics is that 90% of the homicides committed by black citizens are committed against black citizens, so it's not surprising t

What is often missed in these statistics is that 90% of the homicides committed by black citizens are committed against black citizens, so it's not surprising that blacks are overrepresented in homicide statistics since they are overrepresented in poor income neighborhoods where all the problems inherent to poverty exacerbate the cycle of violence.

cb18 10y ago
So poor blacks kill each other in huge numbers, and poor whites don't. What's your point exactly? Also, maybe you missed the black on white numbers which are off the charts compared to the inverse.
- homogeneous 10y ago
  > So poor blacks kill each other in huge numbers, and poor whites don't. What's your point exactly? 90% of black murder victims are killed by black perpetrators, 84% of white murder victims are killed by white perpetrators, so I'm not sure why you suggested that poor white people don't kill each other. My point is that the higher black on black homicide rate is what we'd expect to see for a population that is disproportionately concentrated into densely populated low income regions, which will push up their representation in overall homicide stats. > Also, maybe you missed the black on white numbers which are off the charts compared to the inverse What exactly does off the charts mean? 13.6% of white murders are committed by black people, 7.6% of black murders are committed by white people, so yes, blacks murder whites at a higher rate, that is clear, but what is your point?
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Pyxl101 10y ago
Controlling for poverty does not remove the effect where blacks commit more crime than whites. > As a means to assess these possibilities, I estimate separate regression equations for the black and white block groups in Atlanta. [...] Consistent with previous research, percent black retains a strong, significant effect on violent crime net of the effects of other controls. [...] Although this finding appears to provide partial support for the racial invariance assumption, the fact remains that for a large proportion of the black neighborhoods, the effect of disadvantage on violence is weaker than is the effect evident among all of the white neighborhoods in the analysis http://www.udel.edu/soc/faculty/parker/SOCI836_S08_files/McNulty_Crim01.pdf http://www.udel.edu/soc/faculty/parker/SOCI836_S08_files/McN... More white people than black live in poverty, yet blacks commit crime at far higher rates. For statistics see FBI and DOJ crime data: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43/10tbl43a.xls https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/... https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/... http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf This topic could use more good science and research.
- homogeneous 10y ago
  > More white people than black live in poverty, yet blacks commit crime at far higher rates. For statistics see FBI and DOJ crime data: 1 in 10 whites live in poverty compared to 1 in 4 blacks so it's not true that more whites live in poverty (unless you're talking about absolute numbers, which doesn't tell us anything meaningful in a comparison to the black crime rate). https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/3226952/Sampson_RacialEthnicDisparities.pdf?sequence=2 https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/3226952/Sampson_... > Discrimination appears to be indirect, stemming from the amplification of initial disadvantages over time, along with the social construction of "moral panics" and associated political responses. The "drug war" of the 1980s and 1990s exacerbated the disproportionate representation of blacks in state and federal prisons > Blacks, and to a lesser extent Hispanics, suffer much higher rates of robbery and homicide victimization than do whites. Homicide is the leading cause of death among young black males and females. These differences result in part from social forces that ecologically concentrate race with poverty and other social dislocations. I agree that the topic could use more good science and research.

cb18 10y ago

So poor blacks kill each other in huge numbers, and poor whites don't. What's your point exactly? Also, maybe you missed the black on white numbers which are off the charts compared to the inverse.

homogeneous 10y ago
> So poor blacks kill each other in huge numbers, and poor whites don't. What's your point exactly? 90% of black murder victims are killed by black perpetrators, 84% of white murder victims are killed by white perpetrators, so I'm not sure why you suggested that poor white people don't kill each other. My point is that the higher black on black homicide rate is what we'd expect to see for a population that is disproportionately concentrated into densely populated low income regions, which will push up their representation in overall homicide stats. > Also, maybe you missed the black on white numbers which are off the charts compared to the inverse What exactly does off the charts mean? 13.6% of white murders are committed by black people, 7.6% of black murders are committed by white people, so yes, blacks murder whites at a higher rate, that is clear, but what is your point?

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Pyxl101 10y ago

Controlling for poverty does not remove the effect where blacks commit more crime than whites. > As a means to assess these possibilities, I estimate separate regression equations for the black and white block groups in Atlanta. [...] Consistent with previous research, percent black retains a strong, significant effect on violent crime net of the effects of other controls. [...] Although this finding appears to provide partial support for the racial invariance assumption, the fact remains that for a large proportion of the black neighborhoods, the effect of disadvantage on violence is weaker than is the effect evident among all of the white neighborhoods in the analysis http://www.udel.edu/soc/faculty/parker/SOCI836_S08_files/McNulty_Crim01.pdf http://www.udel.edu/soc/faculty/parker/SOCI836_S08_files/McN... More white people than black live in poverty, yet blacks commit crime at far higher rates. For statistics see FBI and DOJ crime data: https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/table-43/10tbl43a.xls https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/... https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/crime-in-the-u.s.-2013/offenses-known-to-law-enforcement/expanded-homicide/expanded_homicide_data_table_6_murder_race_and_sex_of_vicitm_by_race_and_sex_of_offender_2013.xls https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2013/... http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf This topic could use more good science and research.

homogeneous 10y ago
> More white people than black live in poverty, yet blacks commit crime at far higher rates. For statistics see FBI and DOJ crime data: 1 in 10 whites live in poverty compared to 1 in 4 blacks so it's not true that more whites live in poverty (unless you're talking about absolute numbers, which doesn't tell us anything meaningful in a comparison to the black crime rate). https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/3226952/Sampson_RacialEthnicDisparities.pdf?sequence=2 https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/3226952/Sampson_... > Discrimination appears to be indirect, stemming from the amplification of initial disadvantages over time, along with the social construction of "moral panics" and associated political responses. The "drug war" of the 1980s and 1990s exacerbated the disproportionate representation of blacks in state and federal prisons > Blacks, and to a lesser extent Hispanics, suffer much higher rates of robbery and homicide victimization than do whites. Homicide is the leading cause of death among young black males and females. These differences result in part from social forces that ecologically concentrate race with poverty and other social dislocations. I agree that the topic could use more good science and research.