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You keep saying "go where the data leads" but the data is leading in circles so far. What data would lead you to study telepathy? There's data then there's wi

You keep saying "go where the data leads" but the data is leading in circles so far. What data would lead you to study telepathy? There's data then there's wishful thinking.

lisivka 11y ago
I am sorry, but nerve system is electric. It emits electromagnetic signals. Nerve system is also perfect receiver for these signals. If you will train your body to emit/recognize these signals, you will be able to communicate telepathically. Your "hardware" (bioware?) allows you to do that. Some sharks are using that skill to locate fish.
- spacehome 11y ago
  Not sure if troll or serious. Go ahead and try that and get back to us.
- rdancer 11y ago
  And it's been done[1], successfully — but the signals need to be amplified before the receiving brain can detect them. Parapsychology research was answering a pressing need in the 1950s, and so it was pursued and funded. Now that we have ubiquitous resilient encrypted wireless broadband communication on the worldwide scale, and we're pretty sure the enemy forces cannot submit our soldiers using the power of concentration, the need is much less pressing. Recent advances in brain activity imaging with fMRI and the impetus to create computer-brain interfaces will lead to any advances in telepathy that can be had, and maybe discover new questions to study. Out of all the futures that seemed possible at the beginning of the Cold War, ours is no less strange and awesome than one where telepathy were a mundane experience. Being skeptical about telepathy in the style of the great Sci Fi works of the latter half of the 20th century reflects the understanding that some ideas become reality, and some just peter out. [1] http://www.kurzweilai.net/first-brain-to-brain-telepathy-communication-via-the-internet http://www.kurzweilai.net/first-brain-to-brain-telepathy-com...
  - lisivka 11y ago
    Body can be trained to improve strength of signal and make it directional. I tried to train myself to improve strength of my look few years ago by training, and girls describe their feeling at that period as "burning skin". When I looking at them with concentration, they able to feel that at distance of up to hundred of meters. I also saw video with similar experiment recently, but I cannot find it right now. So, IMHO, telepathy is possible physically at some short distance, but requires years of training of participants. Someone need to train himself to be strong signal emitter, which can be confirmed by measurement of body EM radiation at frequency interval of 1.3-30Hz. Then somebody else need to learn how to hear that weak EM signal, like blinds do.
    - spacehome 11y ago
      If what you're saying were true (even requiring decades of training), it would herald a revolution in our understanding of human physiology. Let's see you reproduce these experiments in a lab with a skeptical researcher.
      - lisivka 11y ago
        Where I can get funding to research short-range telepathy and other mumbo-yumbo science? :-) I was very skeptical myself just few years ago. I had similar feeling ("burning skin") only two times in my whole life, so, IMHO, it is very rare. However, woman told me that it is no so rare, and staring of some "hungry" mans is similar. IMHO, it is sort of "I love you", but for silent animals.
        rdancer 11y ago
        > Where I can get funding to research short-range telepathy DARPA[0]. This kind of research really has been done to death, and much of the groundbreaking research has been declassified by now. For example the CIA mind control research[1]. [0] http://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2015-01-19 http://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2015-01-19 [1] http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/cia-mkultra-collection/# http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/cia-mkultra-col...
- kowdermeister 11y ago
  I have a good news for you, if you are not sitting on millions already, here's an easy way: http://web.randi.org/the-million-dollar-challenge.html http://web.randi.org/the-million-dollar-challenge.html
  - mdpopescu 11y ago
    Wow, did you even bother to follow that link?
    - spacehome 11y ago
      To be fair, that link did work for a good many years.
    - crusso 11y ago
      I didn't know that Randi had retired and that the prize had been withdrawn. Very sad. It's the end of an era.
    - kowdermeister 11y ago
      Thanks, actually no. I've linked it many times before, assumed it's still the same.
marcus_holmes 11y ago
I wasn't suggesting that the data leads to telepathy. It may, it may not. I don't know. I haven't studied it. But dismissing anyone that studies it as a crank, and by implication anyone that supports them in that study as also a crank, is bad for all of us. I'm less concerned about telepathy per se than with "science as politics". The social sciences are seeing some serious problems because there are things that scientists cannot say or talk about because of their political implications. Climate science is hampered by the problem of having to be constantly aware of the political ramifications of their research: are they "helping the deniers" if they publish a result? If we start bringing this bullshit into hard science then we'll break that too. This is maths and physics. There's the hypothesis, there's the experiment. Do the experiment and validate the hypothesis. If the experiment isn't working, devise a better one. If the new theory leads to predictions then test those predictions. It's all objective, it can be tested, and those tests can be reproduced. It's like free speech. I may not like the things you say, but I will absolutely support your right to say them. If you find telepathy interesting enough to study, then that's awesome. If you think you've got a result, and I'm interested enough, then I'll look at your methods and your data and work out if I agree with you or not. But dismissing you as a crank just because you're studying it is anti-scientific. And just like free speech is being threatened by politics and there are now things that people must not say, science is becoming threatened and there are things that must not be published. This is bad imho.

You keep saying "go where the data leads" but the data is leading in circles so far. What data would lead you to study telepathy? There's data then there's wishful thinking.

lisivka 11y ago

I am sorry, but nerve system is electric. It emits electromagnetic signals. Nerve system is also perfect receiver for these signals. If you will train your body to emit/recognize these signals, you will be able to communicate telepathically. Your "hardware" (bioware?) allows you to do that. Some sharks are using that skill to locate fish.

spacehome 11y ago
Not sure if troll or serious. Go ahead and try that and get back to us.
rdancer 11y ago
And it's been done[1], successfully — but the signals need to be amplified before the receiving brain can detect them. Parapsychology research was answering a pressing need in the 1950s, and so it was pursued and funded. Now that we have ubiquitous resilient encrypted wireless broadband communication on the worldwide scale, and we're pretty sure the enemy forces cannot submit our soldiers using the power of concentration, the need is much less pressing. Recent advances in brain activity imaging with fMRI and the impetus to create computer-brain interfaces will lead to any advances in telepathy that can be had, and maybe discover new questions to study. Out of all the futures that seemed possible at the beginning of the Cold War, ours is no less strange and awesome than one where telepathy were a mundane experience. Being skeptical about telepathy in the style of the great Sci Fi works of the latter half of the 20th century reflects the understanding that some ideas become reality, and some just peter out. [1] http://www.kurzweilai.net/first-brain-to-brain-telepathy-communication-via-the-internet http://www.kurzweilai.net/first-brain-to-brain-telepathy-com...
- lisivka 11y ago
  Body can be trained to improve strength of signal and make it directional. I tried to train myself to improve strength of my look few years ago by training, and girls describe their feeling at that period as "burning skin". When I looking at them with concentration, they able to feel that at distance of up to hundred of meters. I also saw video with similar experiment recently, but I cannot find it right now. So, IMHO, telepathy is possible physically at some short distance, but requires years of training of participants. Someone need to train himself to be strong signal emitter, which can be confirmed by measurement of body EM radiation at frequency interval of 1.3-30Hz. Then somebody else need to learn how to hear that weak EM signal, like blinds do.
  - spacehome 11y ago
    If what you're saying were true (even requiring decades of training), it would herald a revolution in our understanding of human physiology. Let's see you reproduce these experiments in a lab with a skeptical researcher.
    - lisivka 11y ago
      Where I can get funding to research short-range telepathy and other mumbo-yumbo science? :-) I was very skeptical myself just few years ago. I had similar feeling ("burning skin") only two times in my whole life, so, IMHO, it is very rare. However, woman told me that it is no so rare, and staring of some "hungry" mans is similar. IMHO, it is sort of "I love you", but for silent animals.
      - rdancer 11y ago
        > Where I can get funding to research short-range telepathy DARPA[0]. This kind of research really has been done to death, and much of the groundbreaking research has been declassified by now. For example the CIA mind control research[1]. [0] http://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2015-01-19 http://www.darpa.mil/news-events/2015-01-19 [1] http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/cia-mkultra-collection/# http://www.theblackvault.com/documentarchive/cia-mkultra-col...
kowdermeister 11y ago
I have a good news for you, if you are not sitting on millions already, here's an easy way: http://web.randi.org/the-million-dollar-challenge.html http://web.randi.org/the-million-dollar-challenge.html
- mdpopescu 11y ago
  Wow, did you even bother to follow that link?
  - spacehome 11y ago
    To be fair, that link did work for a good many years.
  - crusso 11y ago
    I didn't know that Randi had retired and that the prize had been withdrawn. Very sad. It's the end of an era.
  - kowdermeister 11y ago
    Thanks, actually no. I've linked it many times before, assumed it's still the same.

marcus_holmes 11y ago

I wasn't suggesting that the data leads to telepathy. It may, it may not. I don't know. I haven't studied it. But dismissing anyone that studies it as a crank, and by implication anyone that supports them in that study as also a crank, is bad for all of us. I'm less concerned about telepathy per se than with "science as politics". The social sciences are seeing some serious problems because there are things that scientists cannot say or talk about because of their political implications. Climate science is hampered by the problem of having to be constantly aware of the political ramifications of their research: are they "helping the deniers" if they publish a result? If we start bringing this bullshit into hard science then we'll break that too. This is maths and physics. There's the hypothesis, there's the experiment. Do the experiment and validate the hypothesis. If the experiment isn't working, devise a better one. If the new theory leads to predictions then test those predictions. It's all objective, it can be tested, and those tests can be reproduced. It's like free speech. I may not like the things you say, but I will absolutely support your right to say them. If you find telepathy interesting enough to study, then that's awesome. If you think you've got a result, and I'm interested enough, then I'll look at your methods and your data and work out if I agree with you or not. But dismissing you as a crank just because you're studying it is anti-scientific. And just like free speech is being threatened by politics and there are now things that people must not say, science is becoming threatened and there are things that must not be published. This is bad imho.