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I'm not sure I would be comfortable in a state where the government favors passing laws that _prevent_ anti-discrimination laws from being passed. I don't know

by swang 11y ago

I'm not sure I would be comfortable in a state where the government favors passing laws that _prevent_ anti-discrimination laws from being passed. I don't know how that area leans towards this issue and so I'm not saying that area is to blame, but I find it hard to want to go where the state actively tries to allow discrimination. Granted this only happened recently, but my opinion of NC before was that it didn't have a sterling reputation in welcoming non-White, non-Christian Americans. And you may point to CA's Prop 8 passing as a counter-point, but I think one of the reasons for it passing was some voters assuming it wouldn't pass, and also the confusion of whether or not you're suppose to vote for/against if you're for/against same-sex marriage. Regardless, at least the State of CA fought against it and refused to enforce it.

sremani 11y ago
Please stop this recreational outrage. For something that is as fresh as a tomato(not even a month old), you are inserting a topic (perceived anti-lgbtq law) that has little to with the macro trends of the past decade. This constant overreach poisons the discussion.
- chickenfries 11y ago
  "constant overreach"? Are you addressing the comment or just getting angry over a perceived slight? They literally said "Granted this only happened recently" but you're lecturing them about how recently this has happened? It's not controversial to say that people not from North Carolina have an opinion of it being place with a history of racism (really, you could say that about just about anywhere).
  - sremani 11y ago
    This is exactly the overreach I am talking about, inserting social issues into subjects that are not about them or have at the best mild correlation.
    - NotSammyHagar 10y ago
      Social issues are a symptom of the lack of acceptance of different ideas, which along with access to capital, people with the right education and abilities, along with a core of existing software companies that can calve off people with money and trained developers are some of the main reasons why certain places do succeed as startup incubators. That law was more than some mere pesky "social issue", it is about fundamental human rights.
      - sangnoir 10y ago
        >...lack of acceptance of different ideas, which along with access to capital, people with the right education and abilities Are you suggesting that the Bay area's success rests on the back of unimpeachable diversity? The demographics of Bay Area founders skews young, rich, pale and male. Women and non-whites tend not to have limited access to VC, as countless blog posts & news articles will attest. Heck, even white males from the 'wrong' schools struggle. So you can strike out diversity as the engine driving the Bay Area, and likely not holding back NC.
- swang 10y ago
  LOL, sorry my post was so long that you can't even read it in its entirety. I literally addressed what you said in my post; that law is but the most recent example of a history of suppression of minorities. "Macro trends", you mean like the Voter ID laws? The continued traditions of Jim Crow Laws such as keeping blacks from being in the jury of black criminals? But hey, answering why someone wouldn't consider N.C. as a place to live by completely dismissing their opinions is definitely not poisoning the discussion right? And definitely not a social issue at all.
  - throwaway5752 10y ago
    Upvoted you, but RTP is like Austin, TX. Bright blue on a red background. Most people from SFC would feel perfectly at home, except for the jarring experience of buying a nice house with land and less than a 30 minute commute for under $300K. I think it's unfair a bit to single out NC specifically on HB2-like, voter ID, et al laws when it's a part of a broader national political initiative to push model legislation by one party (skirting the subject, look at the similarity in laws passed in states with conservative legislatures and executives, like how NC finds itself currently). And Prop 8 is not an invalid counterpoint. CA has a similar dynamic (progressive urban areas with conservative rural areas: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/US_House_2014.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/US_House...) to what has led to the current situation in NC. Regardless, HB2 is an embarrassing disgrace that NC has to deal with.

by swang 11y ago

sremani 11y ago

Please stop this recreational outrage. For something that is as fresh as a tomato(not even a month old), you are inserting a topic (perceived anti-lgbtq law) that has little to with the macro trends of the past decade. This constant overreach poisons the discussion.

chickenfries 11y ago
"constant overreach"? Are you addressing the comment or just getting angry over a perceived slight? They literally said "Granted this only happened recently" but you're lecturing them about how recently this has happened? It's not controversial to say that people not from North Carolina have an opinion of it being place with a history of racism (really, you could say that about just about anywhere).
- sremani 11y ago
  This is exactly the overreach I am talking about, inserting social issues into subjects that are not about them or have at the best mild correlation.
  - NotSammyHagar 10y ago
    Social issues are a symptom of the lack of acceptance of different ideas, which along with access to capital, people with the right education and abilities, along with a core of existing software companies that can calve off people with money and trained developers are some of the main reasons why certain places do succeed as startup incubators. That law was more than some mere pesky "social issue", it is about fundamental human rights.
    - sangnoir 10y ago
      >...lack of acceptance of different ideas, which along with access to capital, people with the right education and abilities Are you suggesting that the Bay area's success rests on the back of unimpeachable diversity? The demographics of Bay Area founders skews young, rich, pale and male. Women and non-whites tend not to have limited access to VC, as countless blog posts & news articles will attest. Heck, even white males from the 'wrong' schools struggle. So you can strike out diversity as the engine driving the Bay Area, and likely not holding back NC.
swang 10y ago
LOL, sorry my post was so long that you can't even read it in its entirety. I literally addressed what you said in my post; that law is but the most recent example of a history of suppression of minorities. "Macro trends", you mean like the Voter ID laws? The continued traditions of Jim Crow Laws such as keeping blacks from being in the jury of black criminals? But hey, answering why someone wouldn't consider N.C. as a place to live by completely dismissing their opinions is definitely not poisoning the discussion right? And definitely not a social issue at all.
- throwaway5752 10y ago
  Upvoted you, but RTP is like Austin, TX. Bright blue on a red background. Most people from SFC would feel perfectly at home, except for the jarring experience of buying a nice house with land and less than a 30 minute commute for under $300K. I think it's unfair a bit to single out NC specifically on HB2-like, voter ID, et al laws when it's a part of a broader national political initiative to push model legislation by one party (skirting the subject, look at the similarity in laws passed in states with conservative legislatures and executives, like how NC finds itself currently). And Prop 8 is not an invalid counterpoint. CA has a similar dynamic (progressive urban areas with conservative rural areas: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/US_House_2014.svg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/US_House...) to what has led to the current situation in NC. Regardless, HB2 is an embarrassing disgrace that NC has to deal with.