I assumed you were talking about those with VC funding and in the bay area when you referred to "startup environments". And that's exactly who I'm ragging on:

I assumed you were talking about those with VC funding and in the bay area when you referred to "startup environments". And that's exactly who I'm ragging on: SV startups who hire a fleet of inexperienced fresh grads because they are cheap. I agree that you're not going to end up with a solid SOA setup, or anything really, unless you're having experienced experts doing it from day #1. I think you have a greater chance of ending up with an impenetrable majestic monolith if a bunch of inexperienced people are working on it.