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Intel ranks #14 in H1B use and was a large proponent of the bill to increase the allowance foreign tech workers. So I'm assuming their inability to find 'talen

Intel ranks #14 in H1B use and was a large proponent of the bill to increase the allowance foreign tech workers. So I'm assuming their inability to find 'talent' is no longer an issue? Same as Microsoft, IBM, and the numerous other big corps that have had massive layoffs recently, while also claiming an inability to find enough US tech workers?

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lgessler 11y ago
You're assuming that the 11% is coming from roles that are so hard to hire for it becomes more economical to look overseas for the talent--is that true? In other words, I think it's just worth pointing out that Intel's a huge company and it might be that these layoffs are coming from roles where market demand is lower.
- elliotec 11y ago
  I think this is spot on. A lot of companies I know that are doing layoffs are entirely hands-off developers, except maybe the occasional breaking off with a contracting company.
ta_04192016 11y ago
The people fired don't have the right skills. They hire with H1B because the domestic labor market doesn't have enough people with these skills.
- eyeareque 11y ago
  Really, not because they are cheaper and wear handcuffs to their desk so-to-say since they'd have to go back home if they lose their job?
  - Deusdies 11y ago
    No, not because of that. In case you did not know, the companies are obligated to pay H1b employees more than the prevailing wage for that position in that county. This is something controlled by the Department of Labor.
    - elliotec 11y ago
      What do you mean by this? I know for a fact that I was paid more than some H1B folks at previous companies, with equivalent titles and experience.
      - Deusdies 11y ago
        > The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) requires that the hiring of a foreign worker will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of U.S. workers comparably employed. To comply with the statute, the Department's regulations require that the wages offered to a foreign worker must be the prevailing wage rate for the occupational classification in the area of employment. The prevailing wage rate is defined as the average wage paid to similarly employed workers in a specific occupation in the area of intended employment. https://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/wages.cfm https://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/wages.cfm
        elliotec 11y ago
        Very interesting. It seems that violations of this law are probably quite often unreported and/or unenforced.
        Naritai 11y ago
        Not really. "prevailing wage" doesn't mean average wage at that company, it means the wage that posted on the Department of Labor website as the minimum wage for that county. The posted prevailing wage for an EE with 5 years in Santa Clara county, for example, is about $70k (or at least it was back in 2009); so if H1Bs are paid more than that is compliant with the law.
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lgessler 11y ago

You're assuming that the 11% is coming from roles that are so hard to hire for it becomes more economical to look overseas for the talent--is that true? In other words, I think it's just worth pointing out that Intel's a huge company and it might be that these layoffs are coming from roles where market demand is lower.

elliotec 11y ago
I think this is spot on. A lot of companies I know that are doing layoffs are entirely hands-off developers, except maybe the occasional breaking off with a contracting company.

ta_04192016 11y ago

The people fired don't have the right skills. They hire with H1B because the domestic labor market doesn't have enough people with these skills.

eyeareque 11y ago
Really, not because they are cheaper and wear handcuffs to their desk so-to-say since they'd have to go back home if they lose their job?
- Deusdies 11y ago
  No, not because of that. In case you did not know, the companies are obligated to pay H1b employees more than the prevailing wage for that position in that county. This is something controlled by the Department of Labor.
  - elliotec 11y ago
    What do you mean by this? I know for a fact that I was paid more than some H1B folks at previous companies, with equivalent titles and experience.
    - Deusdies 11y ago
      > The Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) requires that the hiring of a foreign worker will not adversely affect the wages and working conditions of U.S. workers comparably employed. To comply with the statute, the Department's regulations require that the wages offered to a foreign worker must be the prevailing wage rate for the occupational classification in the area of employment. The prevailing wage rate is defined as the average wage paid to similarly employed workers in a specific occupation in the area of intended employment. https://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/wages.cfm https://www.foreignlaborcert.doleta.gov/wages.cfm
      - elliotec 11y ago
        Very interesting. It seems that violations of this law are probably quite often unreported and/or unenforced.
        Naritai 11y ago
        Not really. "prevailing wage" doesn't mean average wage at that company, it means the wage that posted on the Department of Labor website as the minimum wage for that county. The posted prevailing wage for an EE with 5 years in Santa Clara county, for example, is about $70k (or at least it was back in 2009); so if H1Bs are paid more than that is compliant with the law.

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