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For starters, it's different because the US does not in fact hunt down communists, Does not in fact hunt down communists... today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wi

by dsp1234 11y ago

For starters, it's different because the US does not in fact hunt down communists, Does not in fact hunt down communists... today. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism#Laws_and_arrests https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McCarthyism#Laws_and_arrests See also Guantanamo Bay, Internment Camps, Lynching, etc. It may not be the same today, but to think the US isn't above doing terrible things to those they are afraid of is to lose sight of our history.

tptacek 11y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes
- dsp1234 11y ago
  Yes, 100%. If yesterday you do something bad, and today I do something bad, and you tell me to stop, there has to be something more than "I don't do that today". It's shitty what is being done, but saying "Nope, we don't do that, but ignore the fact that we did it less than 100 years ago" isn't the greatest of moral arguments. Maybe better arguments, and better actions are in order.
  - tptacek 11y ago
    I have no idea what you're trying to say here, but read back on the thread: not only is MichaelGG's logic faulty, but it's being used to justify what Cisco did. There's no more poisonous form of whataboutism. I think they should re-think that logic.
    - MichaelGG 11y ago
      I apologize, I misunderstood the situation (my own fault). I disagree that Cisco is doing anything wrong in helping China against such groups (yes I realise the implications of that) but I understand how people may very correctly disagree and such politics aren't for HN and I shouldn't have bought it up.
Zigurd 11y ago
We're the pot and they're the kettle, both black, but that is utterly beside the point. The question is whether a US company aided a foreign government in committing human rights violations. Hypocrisy is bad, but it doesn't excuse US vendors who enable foreigners to be imprisoned and tortured.

by dsp1234 11y ago

tptacek 11y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_you_are_lynching_Negroes

dsp1234 11y ago
Yes, 100%. If yesterday you do something bad, and today I do something bad, and you tell me to stop, there has to be something more than "I don't do that today". It's shitty what is being done, but saying "Nope, we don't do that, but ignore the fact that we did it less than 100 years ago" isn't the greatest of moral arguments. Maybe better arguments, and better actions are in order.
- tptacek 11y ago
  I have no idea what you're trying to say here, but read back on the thread: not only is MichaelGG's logic faulty, but it's being used to justify what Cisco did. There's no more poisonous form of whataboutism. I think they should re-think that logic.
  - MichaelGG 11y ago
    I apologize, I misunderstood the situation (my own fault). I disagree that Cisco is doing anything wrong in helping China against such groups (yes I realise the implications of that) but I understand how people may very correctly disagree and such politics aren't for HN and I shouldn't have bought it up.

Zigurd 11y ago

We're the pot and they're the kettle, both black, but that is utterly beside the point. The question is whether a US company aided a foreign government in committing human rights violations. Hypocrisy is bad, but it doesn't excuse US vendors who enable foreigners to be imprisoned and tortured.