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Have Trump or Cruz ever used the word "hoax", or is that your reinterpretation of their position? Have either one of them ever said that there is no such thing

Have Trump or Cruz ever used the word "hoax", or is that your reinterpretation of their position? Have either one of them ever said that there is no such thing as climate change, as your statement seems to imply? Or, do they just question the details of how the evidence is presented and emphasized, the tradeoffs in the proposed responses, and the perverse incentives involved?

Analemma_ 10y ago
https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/721460062355468289 https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/721460062355468289 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/265895292191248385 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/26589529219124838... I suppose you could interpret these as not necessarily saying "there is no such thing as climate change", if you wanted to be denser than a neutron star.
- rybosome 10y ago
  > CO2 is what every human breathes out; every plant, in turn,consumes CO2 That tweet from Ted Cruz is bizarre. We've removed 3.6 million square miles of forest (from the original 6 million)[1], not to mention the billions of tons of CO2 produced annually through fuel combustion. What does the fact that humans expel CO2 have to do with it? [1]: http://www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/habitats/rainforests/index.htm http://www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/habitats/rainforests/in...
- Snargorf 10y ago
  Wait, so to you, a statement affirming part of the carbon cycle is equivalent to "there is no such thing as climate change"? Wow. Wow.
tzs 10y ago
> Have either one of them ever said that there is no such thing as climate change, as your statement seems to imply? Cruz: OK, you are incorrect, actually. The scientific evidence doesn't support global warming. For the last 18 years, the satellite data - we have satellites that monitor the atmosphere. The satellites that actually measure the temperature showed no significant warming whatsoever. ... Climate change is the perfect pseudoscientific theory for a big government politician who wants more power. Why? Because it is a theory that can never be disproven. http://www.npr.org/2015/12/09/459026242/scientific-evidence-doesn-t-support-global-warming-sen-ted-cruz-says http://www.npr.org/2015/12/09/459026242/scientific-evidence-...
- Snargorf 10y ago
  Neither quote says or implies "there is no such thing as climate change". In fact, the second one - "it is a theory that can never be disproven" makes it clear that he understands that climate change is constant and has always happened.
  - tzs 10y ago
    "The satellites that actually measure the temperature showed no significant warming whatsoever".
    - Snargorf 10y ago
      That's a narrow comment about a specific dataset, and is supported by evidence.

Analemma_ 10y ago

https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/721460062355468289 https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/721460062355468289 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/265895292191248385 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/26589529219124838... I suppose you could interpret these as not necessarily saying "there is no such thing as climate change", if you wanted to be denser than a neutron star.

rybosome 10y ago
> CO2 is what every human breathes out; every plant, in turn,consumes CO2 That tweet from Ted Cruz is bizarre. We've removed 3.6 million square miles of forest (from the original 6 million)[1], not to mention the billions of tons of CO2 produced annually through fuel combustion. What does the fact that humans expel CO2 have to do with it? [1]: http://www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/habitats/rainforests/index.htm http://www.nature.org/ourinitiatives/habitats/rainforests/in...
Snargorf 10y ago
Wait, so to you, a statement affirming part of the carbon cycle is equivalent to "there is no such thing as climate change"? Wow. Wow.

tzs 10y ago

> Have either one of them ever said that there is no such thing as climate change, as your statement seems to imply? Cruz: OK, you are incorrect, actually. The scientific evidence doesn't support global warming. For the last 18 years, the satellite data - we have satellites that monitor the atmosphere. The satellites that actually measure the temperature showed no significant warming whatsoever. ... Climate change is the perfect pseudoscientific theory for a big government politician who wants more power. Why? Because it is a theory that can never be disproven. http://www.npr.org/2015/12/09/459026242/scientific-evidence-doesn-t-support-global-warming-sen-ted-cruz-says http://www.npr.org/2015/12/09/459026242/scientific-evidence-...

Snargorf 10y ago
Neither quote says or implies "there is no such thing as climate change". In fact, the second one - "it is a theory that can never be disproven" makes it clear that he understands that climate change is constant and has always happened.
- tzs 10y ago
  "The satellites that actually measure the temperature showed no significant warming whatsoever".
  - Snargorf 10y ago
    That's a narrow comment about a specific dataset, and is supported by evidence.