16 ms·
If they can't sell computers in the digital age where software has taken over everything, you can think whatever you want but that does reflect poorly on the ec
by ranci 10y ago
If they can't sell computers in the digital age where software has taken over everything, you can think whatever you want but that does reflect poorly on the economy. Yes, many factors are at play. It is still a terrible sign.
- TallGuyShort 10y agoGiven the growth in trends such as ARM for mobile devices and dynamic resource allocation on the cloud, I still don't think you can make that broad a statement.
- ranci 10y agoCan you make the statement that the economy had nothing to do with it? A business' success or failure is reliant on the economy on a fundamental level. I imagine if college graduates weren't struggling to find jobs and pay off their massive student debts they would have sold more computers, despite the trends working against them.
- Spooky23 10y agoBecause it isn't relevant. This is the impact of moving to the cloud. Those broke and indebted college kids are buying $800 iPhones instead of $800 PCs, because they don't need the hassle. I'm a power user. I have a 4 year old MacBook and a 2 core * 4GB VDI session. I won't replace the MacBook for another 18 months. Even in enterprise IT... Every project we did in 2004/2005 required a server purchase with two Xeon sockets and a NIC that might be Intel. Now the average marginal unit of virtual server needs 1/50 of an Intel Xeon. And a lot of those Xeons are at AWS, which squeezes the margins.
- osweiller 10y agoMore computers are being sold than ever before. The market is absolutely saturated with computing devices. And aside from the intense competition Intel is facing, they're suffering the same issue that the GPU makers face -- I once upgraded yearly because the gains made it worthwhile. Now I upgrade pretty much only when something fails. It is absolutely picking a narrative.
- ranci 10y agoIs half of college graduates being unemployed or working a min wage job picking a narrative too? Is pointing out that wages are completely stagnant and not rising picking a narrative too? What information would you need to receive to admit the economy is not healthy?
- pmalynin 10y agoYes, don't go studying 17th Romantic Literature expecting a job.
- ant6n 10y agoRomanticism is a 19th century thing.
- maaku 10y agoObviously that's not what he studied in college.
- eru 10y agoMight be the joke?
- Ericson2314 10y agoNah, that would be too clever.
- deleted 10y ago[deleted]
- deleted 10y ago[deleted]
- ranci 10y agoI said 50% of graduates are min wage or unemployed. Not the 1% who majored in romantic literature. You also didn't address the fact that wages paid to employees are completely stagnant.
- mtgx 10y agoYes, but most of those "computers" (that people do keep buying) happen to be smartphones these days.
- msbarnett 10y agoComputing devices are selling like hotcakes, far moreso than ever before. But most of them are full of ARM chips fab'd by companies not named Intel.
- tmptmp 10y ago>>Computing devices hmm... only if I kid myself that the mobile phones (even the smart ones) are actually computing devices on which "I can compute whatever I wish to compute AND the way I can compute on a PC". Most of the ARM devices sold are NOT computing devices for the general person who purchases them. It reminds me the fallacy of calling smart-phones "supercomputers in one's pocket". May be the ARM chip based devices are "computing devices" for companies like Samsung, Google, or some car makers but certainly not for general public.
- dgemm 10y agoHow much "computing" do you think the average user does with a PC?
- ominous 10y agoHow much photosynthesis do you think the average planet does with its star? Enough to justify chloroplasts? How much complexity do you think the average mind generates with its time? Enough to justify the ATP? How much thinking do you think the average human does with his brains? Are brains worth it? Stay tuned.
- happosai 10y ago"sure UNIX is nice, but you need a mainframe for REAL work" "sure NT is nice, but you need a UNIX workstation for REAL work" "sure mobile is nice, buy you need a windows PC for REAL work" I crunched to inbox zero with my phone while commuting to work, while I'm typing this at my "real work computer"
- ciroduran 10y agoI read that statement more like in terms of the freedom you're allowed to build and run applications for such devices. Mobile devices usually discourage the user to do this.
- Spooky23 10y agoThe PC isn't going anywhere, but the need to update every 30 months has gone away. It's a sign of market maturity. Intel shouldn't be trading at a premium if it's selling a highly predictable, stable product to a consolidating marketplace.
- marshray 10y agoIntel has always sold predictable, stable products. But the rate of increase in the core value delivered by their primary product line has slowed dramatically.
- sp332 10y agoThey're focusing on being "the cloud", which definitely makes business sense when you consider that 10% of the world's electricity goes to data centers. Microsoft's next US-East Azure building will be a mile long! I think Intel will do fine if they focus on that market instead of PCs.
- bduerst 10y agoWhat are you going on about? Both Intel's sales and profit are even YoY in 2015, and up from 2013. This doesn't have much to do with computer sales.