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> Cisco’s attempt to try to leverage the Wassenaar discussions into legal immunity for itself is unfounded and should fail. More like attempts to get a civil p
by cloudjacker 10y ago
> Cisco’s attempt to try to leverage the Wassenaar discussions into legal immunity for itself is unfounded and should fail.
More like attempts to get a civil penalty in the United States for business in another country should fail
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- toomuchtodo 10y agoAs a US citizen, you can be held responsible for violating certain US laws outside the United States. Why would this be different?
- PhasmaFelis 10y agoI'm really tired of "business" being used as an excuse for oppression and torture.
- rayiner 10y agoThe US is entitled to use its leverage to effect cultural change abroad. One way we do that is combat foreign corruption by holding American companies accountable when they engage in fraud abroad. We also hold Americans who participate in sex with minors in foreign countries accountable. This is in the same vein.
- burkaman 10y agoWhy not? Seems like there is lots of precedent for it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Tort_Statute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_Tort_Statute Also, do you think it matters that one of the plaintiffs is a US citizen?
- cloudjacker 10y agoYes.
- devin_lane 10y agoIndeed. This is just a business selling a product someone wanted. Cisco is a multinational company; it makes no more sense to hold them to US law for products sold in China then to hold a Chinese company to US law for products sold in China.
- tptacek 10y agoYou can say the exact same thing about bribing overseas officials, and yet we have the FCPA.
- cloudjacker 10y agoand yet, I feel the same way about the FCPA bring it up when I run for office
- burkaman 10y agoI don't understand the objection. It's not like you suddenly lose all benefits and protections of US citizenship when you step over the border. If you don't want to follow these laws, move your company and renounce your citizenship. If you're not willing to do that then you need to follow the rules.
- cloudjacker 10y agoIf you would like to talk about the FCPA, I never mentioned my objection. The objection is that it undermines competitiveness in corrupt business environments. Business environments that are inherently corrupt whether the US entity participates or not. Kickbacks are a way of doing business in many jurisdictions, and then the US government levies a charge against you that is solved with: YOU GUESSED IT, ANOTHER KICKBACK. But its okay because the SEC and DOJ call it a settlement. A totally unnecessary law that is enforced at the discretion of the administration.
- burkaman 10y ago