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I don't get your line of thinking. You are condoning their actions because they own the platform? It's their garden, they can do whatever, so we just stop talki

by educar 10y ago

I don't get your line of thinking. You are condoning their actions because they own the platform? It's their garden, they can do whatever, so we just stop talking about it? Can we then do the same for, I don't know Korea, Middle east and the like? It's their land, they can do whatever with human rights. Why talk about it?

masklinn 10y ago
> I don't get your line of thinking. You are condoning their actions because they own the platform? It's their garden, they can do whatever, so we just stop talking about it? Feel free to talk about it, but the outrage seems eminently artificial, especially given these guidelines are years old for the most part. > Can we then do the same for, I don't know Korea, Middle east and the like? It's their land, they can do whatever with human rights. Why talk about it? Don't you think there's a slight difference between living in "I don't know Korea, Middle east and the like" and deciding to develop for ios? As you note, you have the freedom to not buy apple devides, to not use them, and even more so to not develop for them, you're not exactly stuck between whoever's running the place and whatever "big boy" nation has decided today was good weather for an airstrike.
- ZoF 10y ago
  >especially given these guidelines are years old for the most part. What part of the guidelines being old makes the outrage '[very] artificial'? Seems valid outrage/annoyance to me, and I didn't artificially manufacture my annoyance, there's nothing 'eminently' fake about it. Is the holocaust less shitty because time has passed? To draw a less emotionally charged parallel, was your coffee any less bitter that one time because you drank it two days ago? >Don't you think there's a slight difference between living in "I don't know Korea, Middle east and the like" and deciding to develop for ios? Obviously. It's an analogy. It's not supposed to be a direct representation of the current situation/issue. To be clear here, your response is this: they own the devices/platform, they should be able to decide every aspect of how people code/develop/hack on that platform? A purchased device should be, given the above, owned(or at least controlled) by those who created the device, not by those who bought it? Yes, we do have the freedom to not buy Apple products, which is why many of us don't.
  - CPLX 10y ago
    > Is the holocaust less shitty because time has passed? Godwin Index = 4 Replies
- jamra 10y ago
  I don't believe there is a difference. Once you allow a tyrant to dictate the terms without reproach, you will inevitably be giving up your rights, which is a plunge into the chasm of inevitable repression.
  - true_religion 10y ago
    When dealing with voluntary transactions your rights are pretty much limited to (a) no violence or enslavement (b) whatever we agree to you must do and (c) if either of us break this deal, we will try to put things back the way they were before the deal.
NeutronBoy 10y ago
> I don't get your line of thinking. You are condoning their actions because they own the platform? It's their garden, they can do whatever, so we just stop talking about it? Isn't this what you meant by 'let the market decide'?

by educar 10y ago

masklinn 10y ago

> I don't get your line of thinking. You are condoning their actions because they own the platform? It's their garden, they can do whatever, so we just stop talking about it? Feel free to talk about it, but the outrage seems eminently artificial, especially given these guidelines are years old for the most part. > Can we then do the same for, I don't know Korea, Middle east and the like? It's their land, they can do whatever with human rights. Why talk about it? Don't you think there's a slight difference between living in "I don't know Korea, Middle east and the like" and deciding to develop for ios? As you note, you have the freedom to not buy apple devides, to not use them, and even more so to not develop for them, you're not exactly stuck between whoever's running the place and whatever "big boy" nation has decided today was good weather for an airstrike.

ZoF 10y ago
>especially given these guidelines are years old for the most part. What part of the guidelines being old makes the outrage '[very] artificial'? Seems valid outrage/annoyance to me, and I didn't artificially manufacture my annoyance, there's nothing 'eminently' fake about it. Is the holocaust less shitty because time has passed? To draw a less emotionally charged parallel, was your coffee any less bitter that one time because you drank it two days ago? >Don't you think there's a slight difference between living in "I don't know Korea, Middle east and the like" and deciding to develop for ios? Obviously. It's an analogy. It's not supposed to be a direct representation of the current situation/issue. To be clear here, your response is this: they own the devices/platform, they should be able to decide every aspect of how people code/develop/hack on that platform? A purchased device should be, given the above, owned(or at least controlled) by those who created the device, not by those who bought it? Yes, we do have the freedom to not buy Apple products, which is why many of us don't.
- CPLX 10y ago
  > Is the holocaust less shitty because time has passed? Godwin Index = 4 Replies
jamra 10y ago
I don't believe there is a difference. Once you allow a tyrant to dictate the terms without reproach, you will inevitably be giving up your rights, which is a plunge into the chasm of inevitable repression.
- true_religion 10y ago
  When dealing with voluntary transactions your rights are pretty much limited to (a) no violence or enslavement (b) whatever we agree to you must do and (c) if either of us break this deal, we will try to put things back the way they were before the deal.

NeutronBoy 10y ago

> I don't get your line of thinking. You are condoning their actions because they own the platform? It's their garden, they can do whatever, so we just stop talking about it? Isn't this what you meant by 'let the market decide'?