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Warmest March in Global Recordkeeping
- pink_dinner 10y agotemperature != climate. This is what all of the same people writing articles like this chirp out whenever someone talks about current temperature changes having anything to do with climate change.
- splawn 10y agoHow do global temp avgs not have anything to do with climate? I must admit though "Global Warming does not mean Global Warming" is at least a new one I haven't heard before, lol.
- sickbeard 10y agoThe thing is when it gets unusually warm everyone cries climate change and when it gets unusually cold it's completely dismissed. That's what OP is pointing out
- splawn 10y agoSo he is pointing out that when global temp avgs bust records everyone talks about global warming.. ok, I will give him that. I am not sure that makes much of a "point" though.
- pink_dinner 10y agoExactly. These popsci articles aren't really based on any scientific facts.
- splawn 10y ago"Popsci" Says the troll with -4 karma. This story was directly taken from NOAA [0]. [0] http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201603 http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/201603
- mikeash 10y agoSounds like you're talking about rebuttals to dingbats who say things like, "it was cold today, so global warming is false." That's about local temperatures, which indeed are not relevant (except in aggregate) to climate. Global temperatures absolutely are relevant, though.
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- pg_is_a_butt 10y agoyeah, and women getting paid 73c on the dollar is just because male sport stars salary sways the curve... because women are too weak to compete for those jobs. because of institutionalized discrimination. males stopped women from evolving the ability to throw a 100mph fast ball. reparations NOW! THE SKY IS FALLING! WE ALL GONNA DIE(^!#%^(!#%(^ you're an idiot.
- hackuser 10y agoCoverage in The Guardian as well: http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/15/march-temperature-smashes-100-year-global-record http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/apr/15/march-tem... It's very disappointing this isn't a major story (outside the remaining climate denial outlets, such as Fox/Murdoch/WSJ). I don't recall seeing it covered in the NY Times, for example. Perhaps I overlooked it, but it should have been a big enough story that overlooking it was very unlikely.
- sosborn 10y agoUnfortunately, after a while it stops being "news".
- ChuckMcM 10y agoWhat would be the story? Climate change is real? I think that is pretty well understood by most of the NY Times readers. The story is now "This week in Apocolpyse Forecasting." Two things make this challenging, one is that the highest/lowest/largest/smallest in recorded history is like 150 - 200 years usually, and folks know that in human history at least people were living near gaciers and munching on Mammoth and Sabertooth. So clearly there are temperatures that are both "previously experienced by humans" and "not part of the recorded human record". I think climate change news now that would get coverage would be actions being taken (as opposed to observations being made). What actions will Texas take after this season to mitigate the risk of flooding? What actions will California take to insure reliable water sources across both drought and excess modalities? I think we've reached the "Ok, so what?" phase.
- cryptoz 10y agoThe main problem with that thinking is that if the story is just about adaptation topics, we're going to be fighting a losing war for centuries. Adaptation is urgent to save human lives, yes - but vastly more important is to reduce greenhouse gas output. There is only one story right now for the US News to focus on: Donald Trump thinks climate change is a hoax. Ted Cruz also thinks climate change is a hoax. Hillary Clinton thinks climate change is not a problem and that we should increase our greenhouse gas output as fast as possible. Bernie Sanders considers climate change to be of critical importance and will act as a leader to curtail our greenhouse gas output. He is also the least likely leader in the race right now. The story is not just about adaptation. The story is about how the US political leadership is passionate about increasing the rate of climate change and calling the entire science of climate a 'hoax'.
- hackuser 10y agoThe same was true of January and February: https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=3239 https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?e... https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?entrynum=3264 https://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMasters/comment.html?e...
- dsp1234 10y agoFTA: The JMA measurements go back to 1891 and show that every one of the past 11 months has been the hottest ever recorded for that month.
- philliphaydon 10y agoI wonder how the results would look if we used the same tools for those 100years. No doubt more accurate ways of measuring temp only skew results.
- wang_li 10y agoIt doesn't help that the official US temperature record has been adjusted and readjusted to make the past cooler.
- jessaustin 10y agoThat was for science!
- hackuser 10y agoI wonder if there is a Conspiracy Theory of Gravity, similar to the Conspiracy Theory of Climate Change. There's this, I suppose: http://wiki.tfes.org/Gravity http://wiki.tfes.org/Gravity
- Zuider 10y agoThis particular Flat Earth Society is a satirical group where they entertain themselves with ingenious rationalizations such as the one you linked to. I wouldn't imagine that there is a single true believer among them.
- nikolay 10y agoEvery month and year will be the warmest. You don't need an extraordinary intelligence to see where we'll be 10-15 years from now if we don't do something drastic about it! But I doubt there's much we can do at this stage - it's too late! Just imagine the migration flows of humans and animals from the soon uninhabitable areas like Africa and the Middle East toward the poles. You can foresee pandemics, civil wars, or even a world war. There are already a few tropical diseases that came to Europe like the Bluetongue disease, the West Nile Virus, and others - and this is just the beginning. Our livestock is not prepared, imagine the costs. With this in mind, I think Siberia, Canada, and Alaska are going to be the best locations for my near-future residence...
- edgyswingset 10y agoI think that's quite the over-exaggeration. While I agree with you in principle, it's a far more nuanced problem. But I will say this: we will have a crisis on our hands in places like Bangladesh. Investing in ways to remedy this will benefit us all.
- nikolay 10y agoNot an exaggeration, unfortunately - this is what even some NATO officials have been discussing. That's why the migrant crisis is so important - it's a test and it also shows how unprepared the EU for something like this is!
- ciconia 10y agoFrankly I feel physically sick every time I read one of those articles. I believe it is within our power to stop or at least significantly diminish this trend, but everyone prefers to think about themselves and f*ck the neighbours.
- pg_is_a_butt 10y agoyeah... and Yahoo!'s projected earnings around 1999 for the next 10-15 years made it obvious to any intelligence that it would take over the world. life finds a way. you're an idiot.
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- visakanv 10y agoI'm in Singapore (we're right smack on the equator) and it's seriously sweltering here. Really, the hottest it's ever been in my entire life (25yrs). It's unbelievably intense.
- philliphaydon 10y agoI'm in Singapore, it's not that bad... Yangon is a billion times worse.
- kcarter80 10y agoI'm no denier, but take care not to conflate climate with weather.
- bjz_ 10y agoThat's weather not climate. Be careful of making statements like that, because next year it might not be as cooler, and you'll have seemingly fueling the misguided arguments of the deniers. It's not just you though. Even the damn media gets this wrong, and it's extremely annoying.
- mizchief2 10y agoSays the weather service named after a leftist terrorist organization.
- joshuaheard 10y agoI really don't see the point of these "warmest on record" articles. Since we are coming out of an ice age a mere (on the geologic time scale) 12,000 years ago, we should expect increasingly warm temperatures. Also, the "record" in this case only goes back 130 years, and the earth is 4.5 billion years old, so to try and make some sort of global warming generalization based on .00000000028% of the evidence is fallacious.
- pboutros 10y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proving_too_much https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proving_too_much
- djschnei 10y agobingo...
- cryptoz 10y agoAnother climate change story on HN where the top comment is a denier citing logical fallacies about how statistics and science work. :( As crass as it may sound, I really wish Hacker News would talk about all the money that can be made by building startups that aim at mitigating the effects of climate change, about the routes to renewable, sustainable energy sources (also worth untold trillions of dollars), etc. Instead, HN seems to mostly be composed of climate change deniers. ------------- Edit: HN tells me I'm not allowed to reply to rsync's comment below. Here's my reply: > You don't have to be a "denier" to be annoyed by hearing that the "most (X) ever" is based on ~150 years of observations. The post author was not expressing annoyance. They expressed that the climate is not changing due to human activity: > Since we are coming out of an ice age a mere (on the geologic time scale) 12,000 years ago, we should expect increasingly warm temperatures. That is not "a reasonable comment and a reasonable sentiment." It's an extremely damaging falsehood that does not have a place here on HN.
- actionwords 10y ago'anyone who says anything contrary to my point of view shouldn't be able to put their opinion forward!'
- andrewvijay 10y agoWe are going to suffer. I'm worried that my children are going to suffer too ;(
- taberiand 10y agoDon't worry too much - our children's children won't suffer. They'll be dead.
- guard-of-terra 10y agoI think you're overdoing it. In the history of Earth there were periods where climate were much hotter, with more greenhouse gases, yet life did not stop. Yes maybe we will suffer (maybe not so much), but don't over-dramatize the issue because drama does not last.
- andrewvijay 10y agoI think you are not realizing the scale of the impact its gonna create.
- andrewvijay 10y agoyeah its sad that not many ppl realize the effects. Even geeks seem to be arguing that there were hotter periods and blabla. This time the heat was added by humans!!
- guard-of-terra 10y ago"This time the heat was added by humans!!" So what?
- tremon 10y agoThere's two directions you can go: - the normal heating/cooling periods take place over thousands of years, which leaves ample opportunity for species to adapt to the changing climate. The human-added heat works much faster, and could trigger a massive extinction event unless the same humans work to prevent it. - irrespective of whether the heat was added by humans, the previous "hot" periods did not happen during human habitation of this planet. The change we're facing is unprecented in our history and we must work to prepare for it. Either way, action is required.
- willholloway 10y agoI've decided to become the guy that on every HN climate change post promotes the only technology that can restore the climate we had. There is a way to get us down from 408ppm back to a safe level like 350ppm, and that is Bio Energy with carbon capture and storage: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bio-energy_with_carbon_capture_and_storage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bio-energy_with_carbon_capture...
- zxcvvcxz 10y agoTell that to up-and-coming countries like China. Go ahead, see if they want to slow their economic growth for the "environment", let alone the breathing air of their people. And after you tell them off, take a trip to Africa (e.g. Nigeria) as well. By all means, we should work to make it an economical alternative. I suggest that a higher proportion of GDP in first-world countries go towards this type of basic research. But until then, it's not going to happen.
- willholloway 10y agoI have a filter that ignores pessimism. Here's why you are wrong. China is adopting solar on a massive scale. In fact it's the Chinese solar industry that broke the grid parity barrier. And yes, their people are and will demand cleaner air. And most importantly, new solar is cheaper than new coal plants, even in India. And as far as countries like Nigeria, I propose that the developed world begins to enact sanctions against reckless polluters to incentivize social nation state behavior. I think that we will find, just as transnational oil companies have found, that the governments of countries like Nigeria are easily swayed by outside money. And this idea that controlling carbon will slow economic growth is ludicrous. What do you think having NYC and Miami flooded will do to growth? What about 100 million refugees from Bangladesh. Look at the problem of Syrian refugees for Europe. We did one thing right, and we got solar pv cheap just in the nick of time.
- Detect 10y agoSeems unlikely there will be a silver bullet solution, especially one that's considered future technology. We have many low-tech solutions available today like soil carbon sequestration through better land management that can be part of a wide array of solutions.
- brucefancher 10y agoOops. https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/04/19/systematic-error-in-climate-measurements-the-surface-air-temperature-record/ https://wattsupwiththat.com/2016/04/19/systematic-error-in-c...